Theos-Talk Archives (September 2008 Message tt00348)

You can expose these officers through internet and show all the
members how they are grabbing the power by unethical means. When all
members know their acts, they will not vote for these officers again. 
Media like newspaper, TV, internet are supposed to show mistakes of
the rulers. Watch CNN, BBC or any good news channel, you will find
that media exposes wrong acts. It is the major duty of media.

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Katinka Hesselink" <mail@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Anand,
> 
> I would have loved to vote for someone other than the chair person who
> just told me I should keep my mouth shut and stop abusing the internet
> ;) but the fact is - we don't have enough volunteers. All volunteers
> who want to significantly change the way the magazine is run (for
> instance) walk (or run) away pretty quickly from serious volunteer
> work: there is just no chance with the current administration. 
> Unfortunately it seems to perpetuate the current situation of decline.
> Not sure what can be done about it - but passing this proposal
> certainly won't help.
> 
> To Erica: the people in charge in the Netherlands are too young to
> wait for. If I wait for them to die off - I'll be in my sixties or
> something. I'd rather cut my losses and come back when (and if) the TS
> is back in some sort of order. 
> But hey, I haven't seen anybody defend this proposal other than the
> people who proposed it. Also: the online poll is pretty conclusive. So
> I don't think it will be passed. 
> 
> [this doesn't mean people shouldn't mail their local representatives
> of course. let's keep them on their toes. this is important stuff.]
> 
> Katinka
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand" <AnandGholap@> wrote:
> >
> > Only 1/6 the humanity lives in India. 5/6 of humanity lives outside
> > India. If some members like John Algeo want non-Indian President, they
> > should work hard for Theosophy. Fact that outside India membership is
> > low and shrinking proves that things are not managed properly outside
> > India. And Radha Burnier got considerable number of votes from outside
> > India also. So anybody who reads the proposal can know that it is
> > meant to grab power by unfair means. 
> > Very fact that elected leaders from America and Europe are removing
> > voting powers of their own members show that leaders were unwisely
> > elected by members in respective countries.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Katinka Hesselink" <mail@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > The Dutch section has sent a letter to all lodges and put on their
> > > website which I take as a way of saying: this is our official
> > > position. I know about this letter because it was my duty to put it
> > > online.
> > > 
> > > Since the Dutch section supports John Algeo's position, and the
letter
> > > includes a Dutch translation of a letter by John about this -
this is
> > > as far as I know the closest we've gotten to an explanation of the
> > > proposal by those who wrote / support it.
> > > 
> > > I'm not going to translate the English back into Dutch. I hope
John or
> > > Betty will issue some sort of statement in English himself.
> > > 
> > > The reasoning is as follows and includes details about the
election of
> > > the president that I wasn't aware of. My comments between square
> > brackets.
> > > 
> > > The election had a 50% rate of response in the West. So 50% of those
> > > who had a right to vote actually did. [when it's a government with
> > > that kind of numbers, there's usually an attempt to get more
people to
> > > vote in future. but the conclusion of the Dutch section is to take
> > > away our voting rights.]
> > > The Indian voters however DID come out and vote. They also know
Radha
> > > Burnier better. So she won. 
> > > 
> > > John Algeo writes:
> > > The Indian section has a majority of the members (would love to know
> > > the precise numbers), so in practice they decide who gets to be
> > > president. This is not democratic. [what he means is: it's not fair,
> > > it IS obviously democratic]. Since the Indian section doesn't have
> > > their administration in order and members of that section have
> > > complained about this, it's best to just let the general council
> > > decide who the president should be. Those who would elect the
> > > president were themselves elected, so this is democratic. 
> > > 
> > > A note by the Dutch general secretary:
> > > 
> > > The general council consists of:
> > > - all the general secretaries of the sections
> > > - 7 to 10 added members [ she doesn't mention how those get
elected ] 
> > > - to be a section there have to be 7 lodges and 150 members.
> > > - at the moment the council has 37 members.
> > > -------
> > > 
> > > John's last point sounds like they are fixing one hole with another.
> > > Because the Indian section isn't run properly its members should not
> > > get a say in who becomes the president of the TS. 
> > > 
> > > It's clear that the general council is a weird body. It represents
> > > each section equally, whether it has the minimum of 150 members, or
> > > over 10 thousand. It has added members which, as far as I can tell,
> > > get appointed by the president, for life. 
> > > 
> > > As many have noticed: the Western sections just aren't very
> > > successful. Most of them are shrinking. This is certainly true
for the
> > > Dutch and American section - two of the ones supporting this
> proposal. 
> > > 
> > > Not exactly the kind of resume that helps inspire confidence.
> > > 
> > > Sorry this is such a rambling post. The message asking me to publish
> > > that letter on the Dutch TS website accused me of acting too quickly
> > > and not thinking things through. I just sent an angry letter to the
> > > Dutch board explaining my position in more detail. I'm actually
> > > starting to look forward to canceling my membership. Not a good
sign.
> > > I do still hope this gets resolved.
> > > 
> > > Katinka Hesselink
> > >
> >
>