Theos-Talk Archives (September 2008 Message tt00332)

MKR wrote:
"Membership is the only objective quantitative means we have to judge!!!"

If I may?
There are of course other means to judge life and TS by. Am I right?

We will also know people on their fruits.
For instance how they communicate.



M. Sufilight


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MKR 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:48 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World reaction from the Dutch Section and John Algeo to the uproar about the proposal


  The comment about Indian Section not having their administration in order,
  is ridiculous. The lodges are vibrant and thriving and membership has been
  growing. Anyone who wants first hand knowledge, should visit lodges in India
  and see for themselves.

  Membership is the only objective quantitative means we have to judge!!!
  Imagine what it would be if the admin is outstanding. Membership will go
  thru the roof. Also Indian section has enough smart people to take care of
  itself. All these arguments are just specious to mislead gullible. First
  something quick and urgent needs to be done to bolster the membership
  outside India. If not, at this rate, with the access Internet provides for
  information, TS will become terminal and disappear when money runs out
  outside India.

  MKR

  On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 5:05 AM, Katinka Hesselink <
  mail@katinkahesselink.net> wrote:

  > Hi all,
  >
  > The Dutch section has sent a letter to all lodges and put on their
  > website which I take as a way of saying: this is our official
  > position. I know about this letter because it was my duty to put it
  > online.
  >
  > Since the Dutch section supports John Algeo's position, and the letter
  > includes a Dutch translation of a letter by John about this - this is
  > as far as I know the closest we've gotten to an explanation of the
  > proposal by those who wrote / support it.
  >
  > I'm not going to translate the English back into Dutch. I hope John or
  > Betty will issue some sort of statement in English himself.
  >
  > The reasoning is as follows and includes details about the election of
  > the president that I wasn't aware of. My comments between square brackets.
  >
  > The election had a 50% rate of response in the West. So 50% of those
  > who had a right to vote actually did. [when it's a government with
  > that kind of numbers, there's usually an attempt to get more people to
  > vote in future. but the conclusion of the Dutch section is to take
  > away our voting rights.]
  > The Indian voters however DID come out and vote. They also know Radha
  > Burnier better. So she won.
  >
  > John Algeo writes:
  > The Indian section has a majority of the members (would love to know
  > the precise numbers), so in practice they decide who gets to be
  > president. This is not democratic. [what he means is: it's not fair,
  > it IS obviously democratic]. Since the Indian section doesn't have
  > their administration in order and members of that section have
  > complained about this, it's best to just let the general council
  > decide who the president should be. Those who would elect the
  > president were themselves elected, so this is democratic.
  >
  > A note by the Dutch general secretary:
  >
  > The general council consists of:
  > - all the general secretaries of the sections
  > - 7 to 10 added members [ she doesn't mention how those get elected ]
  > - to be a section there have to be 7 lodges and 150 members.
  > - at the moment the council has 37 members.
  > -------
  >
  > John's last point sounds like they are fixing one hole with another.
  > Because the Indian section isn't run properly its members should not
  > get a say in who becomes the president of the TS.
  >
  > It's clear that the general council is a weird body. It represents
  > each section equally, whether it has the minimum of 150 members, or
  > over 10 thousand. It has added members which, as far as I can tell,
  > get appointed by the president, for life.
  >
  > As many have noticed: the Western sections just aren't very
  > successful. Most of them are shrinking. This is certainly true for the
  > Dutch and American section - two of the ones supporting this proposal.
  >
  > Not exactly the kind of resume that helps inspire confidence.
  >
  > Sorry this is such a rambling post. The message asking me to publish
  > that letter on the Dutch TS website accused me of acting too quickly
  > and not thinking things through. I just sent an angry letter to the
  > Dutch board explaining my position in more detail. I'm actually
  > starting to look forward to canceling my membership. Not a good sign.
  > I do still hope this gets resolved.
  >
  > Katinka Hesselink
  >
  > 
  >

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