Theos-Talk Archives (September 2008 Message tt00209)

Anand wrote:
"According to J. Krishnamurti all great teachers corrupt minds of
people, and their teaching is harmful to people. This idea of J.
Krishnamurti is ridiculously wrong. "


My view:
I agree entirely with you on that in the sense, that some teachers in fact are helping a great numbner of persons.

In another senese those teacher are also to a certain misleading those who listens to them.
But saying that the Master-Chela teaching is invalid or to downplay it is according to Blavatsky's teaching dangerous. Try Blavatsky's article - "Occultism versus ThevOccult arts" - http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/OccultismVersusTheOccultArts.htm

As they say: You will never walk alone!


M. Sufilight


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anand 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:58 AM
  Subject: Theos-World Possession of J. Krishnamurti by Evil Powers


  On the path of occultism there are some aspirants who fail. Virtues
  like truthfulness, love, kindness must be developed to a very high
  degree in order to succeed in occultism. If these qualities are less,
  a person fails on the path of occultism. J. Krishnamurti is an example
  of such failure.

  In the Bible, one can read how one spirit rebelled against God and
  created doubt about God and His teaching in the minds of Adam and Eve.
  J. Krishnamurti's speeches are of similar a nature. According to him
  all great teachers and their teachings corrupt the minds of people. J.
  Krishnamurti does not have any respect for even great teachers like
  Lord Jesus Christ. Anybody who reads J. Krishnamurti's speeches will
  notice that J. Krishnamurti did not have knowledge of what is written
  by other spiritual teachers, what is written in religions. Also one
  can notice that J. Krishnamurti did not have the capacity to
  investigate the hidden laws of nature, he was not a clairvoyant nor an
  occultist. So there is no originality or original, new knowledge in J.
  Krishnamurti's speeches. This shows that he did not have the capacity
  to study writings of other teachers, and he himself also did not have
  the capacity to find the laws of nature. All philosophy of
  Krishnamurti is based on one principle : to attack teachings of other
  great teachers. 

  According to J. Krishnamurti all great teachers corrupt minds of
  people, and their teaching is harmful to people. This idea of J.
  Krishnamurti is ridiculously wrong. It is like saying that if a person
  is not taught anything, he will be a better person. What J.
  Krishnamurti is saying is that uneducated tribal man is better than
  the educated scientist who discovers solutions to solve problems of
  humanity. What Krishnamurti is saying is that a person who never
  studied any relegion or spiritual teaching is more virtuous than
  person who studies religions. This is highly misleading and damaging
  to humanity. Most people on the earth, at the present stage of
  evolution are selfish and have all the vices instinctively. And only
  way to keep them on the path of virtues is to teach them the
  importance of virtues and bad consequences of vices. Lord Jesus
  Christ, Theosophy and such great teachings do exactly that. And such
  teaching is absolutely necessary to make people virtuous, loving,
  kind, and truthful.

  J. Krishnamurti attacked teaching of great spiritual teachers. One
  might think that a demonic, evil spirit had taken his possession and
  made him talk against holy teachers and their teachings. According to
  Christianity people are saved by faith in Jesus Christ. And
  Krishnmurti's whole philosophy is intended to destroy the faith of
  people in Godly things, teaching of prophets and saints. When C.W.
  Leadbeater found J. Krishnamurti, he had expected that J. Krishnamurti
  would become a vehicle for Christ. But this experiment failed
  miserably. J. Krishnamurti neither understood Theosophy, nor any other
  teaching. What he could do was only destroy faith of people in all
  great spiritual and religious teachings.

  C. W. Leadbeater was a great occultist who successfully guided tens of
  thousand of people in spiritual development. He prepared great
  Theosophists like C. Jinarajadasa and G. S. Arundale. C. W. Leadbeater
  could not prepare Krishnamurti because of big weakenesses which J.
  Krishnamurti had.

  Krishnamurti's speeches did much damage to great organization
  Theosophical Society, Adyar. This damage was done in many ways.
  Members of TS lost faith in Theosophy because of J. Krishnamurti's
  speeches. Some officers in TS believed Krishnamurti's speeches are
  Theosophy. These officers misled many ordinary members of TS and
  removed faith of members from teaching of Annie Besant and Leadbeater.
  These officers misled ordinary members of TS by telling them that
  Krishnamurti's speeches are Theosophy.

  Krishnamurti also did much damage to great religions like
  Christianity. A large number of people lost faith in Christianity
  because of Krishnamurti's speeches against religions.

  Krishnamurti talks about instant knowing of the Truth. According to
  Krishnamurti a person knows Truth instantly without long preparation.
  But the fact is that in the last 70 years also none came forward and
  said that he knew the Truth by following Krishnamurti's methods.

  According to Krishnamurti following a Spiritual Master or Guru is
  harmful and people should not follow any Spiritual Masters. Facts
  prove that Krishnamurti was wrong here also. The history of thousands
  of years is filled with testimonies of self-realized people about how
  Spiritual Masters or Gurus helped spiritual development of disciples.

  According to J. Krishnamurti spiritual teaching, reading books on
  spirituality corrupt minds of people. Facts prove that J. Krishnamurti
  is wrong. There are tens of thousands of testimonies about how Bible
  and other spiritual books helped people greatly in spiritual development.

  One well known person who witnessed devastating effects of J.
  Krishnamurti's speeches on people wrote "During the seven or more
  years of Krishnamurti's later mission (of teaching) I have seen many
  promising lives rendered tragically fruitless, many hopes destroyed,
  and many good servants of humanity lost to that service. Under
  Krishnamurti's influence they have thrown overboard the whole of
  life's experiences, life's illuminations, and life's understanding.
  Religion, philosophy, ethics, and even morals - on all these they have
  turned a scornful back. They have done this in the utterly vain belief
  that by so doing they will gain some mysterious enlightenment hitherto
  hidden from them.

  I have seen noble-hearted, pure-minded men and women, both young and
  old, throw over their previous moral restraint, cast aside that
  discipline of life without which there can be no happiness. I have
  watched them cease from a service to those less fortunate than themselves"

  All this they do, as they suppose, at the bidding of Krishnamurti."

  "Questions put to him (to Krishnamurti) demonstrate very clearly that
  Krishnamurti has led people into this darkness. I speak feelingly, for
  I have seen and known so many who have made just that mistake. Once
  radiant, they are now in darkness. Once loving friends to all, they
  are now scornful and bitter opponents of their old friends and
  co-workers. Once useful citizens, they are now idle. Not only are they
  idle, but they scorn those who remain active in the service of city,
  country and race. Once self-controlled, vegetarian, teetotallers and
  refined of speech, they now scorn all systematic discipline, eat meat,
  smoke, take alcohol and are addicted to coarse language. All this is
  justified by the plea of fuller self-expression. Great is the tragedy
  of such ruined lives - a tragedy all too common since Krishnamurti
  took up his mission (of teaching)"

  J. Krishnamurti failed on the path of occultism and he misled people
  by removing their faith in great Spiritual Teachers and Theosophy.
  What people should do now is completely ignore Krishnamurti's speeches
  and continue studying good spiritual teaching given by great
  Theosophists like Annie Besant and C.W. Leadbeater.

  Readers will get references about J. Krishnamurti or Alcyone in
  Theosophical literature. These references may be read in order to
  understand how Krishnamurti was being prepared for higher spiritual
  growth. J. Krishnamurti later failed. So what he spoke independently
  should be completely ignored. J. Krishnamurti's speeches are extremely
  harmful to people.

  Article can be read at 
  http://www.anandgholap.net/Failure_Of_J_Krishnamurti.htm

  Best
  Anand Gholap



   

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