Theos-Talk Archives (September 2008 Message tt00056)

Dear Anand

Once again, you accept prima facie the words 
of Bishop C W Leadbeater, for which you are 
perfectly entitled.

Once again a reminder is offered that the 
Bishop demonstrably lied on many, many occasions.

Moreover his wild, fanciful nature fabricated 
many outrageous stories such as claiming to 
"clairvoyantly" view sophisticated civilisations 
on Mars.

How can any sane person accept anything this 
man spoke or wrote as having any truth or 
credibility  whatsoever?

Would you kindly explain this to me"

Regards
Nigel








--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand" <AnandGholap@...> wrote:
>
> One more point.
> CWL wrote "For months together, in consequence of her various
> illnesses, the terrible old woman alone has inhabited her almost all
> the time, and all around her have suffered from her ill-temper. "
> 
> This letter was written in 1885. That means till 1885 or during some
> years before 1885 "terrible old woman alone has inhabited" 
> Question remains to what extent that Adept or any other Adepts could
> work through HPB's body after 1885 till her death. But as HPB's 
health
> rapidly deteriorated till her death, and as Adepts can not occupy 
ill
> body, one can assume that after 1885 also Adepts could not work
> through HPB's body for long time by direct occupation of it.
> 
> Best
> Anand Gholap
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand" <AnandGholap@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand" <AnandGholap@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Compare T. Subba Row's and C. W. Leadbeater's explanation with
> Master 
> > > > Koot Hoomi's explanation 
> > > > 
> > > > --------------------------------------
> > > > I invite interested readers to compare the
> > > > T. Subba Row/Leadbeater explanation about Madame Blavatsky
> > > > with what Master Koot Hoomi wrote to Colonel Olcott
> > > > about Madame Blavatsky.
> > > > 
> > > > In a letter dated June 14th, 1885 from Adyar, Madras,
> > > > India, Charles Leadbeater wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > "Subba Row related to us recently more concerning
> > > > Madame's remarkable complex character than I, at
> > > > least, had previously known; and it shows us plainly
> > > > how foolish it would be to blame her for what in
> > > > anyone else would be called a want of common moral
> > > > qualities. We were right in believing that the
> > > > original H. P. Blavatsky, who was by nature clairvoyant
> > > > and who had some knowledge of occultism, disappeared
> > > > from earth life some twenty years ago, and that a
> > > > certain Adept, who in some way had failed to reach
> > > > his goal, voluntarily took possession of her body,
> > > > or was placed there --- partly as a punishment, in
> > > > order to do all in his power to promulgate the truth
> > > > through her. We likewise understood rightly that when
> > > > engaged on other business he was frequently absent
> > > > from this body. But now I come to a point about which
> > > > I was completely in error. I thought that during the absence 
of the
> > > > Adept, the body was in a state similar to that of Margrave in 
Bulwer
> > > > Lytton's "Strange Story," only animated by its original lower
> > > > constituents. But it seems this was not the case. At her 
death, all
> > > > the usual constituents of the body left it as with that of 
others,
> > > > and the present inhabitant had to supply the whole want from 
his own
> > > > organisation. For this purpose two Chelas, but little versed 
in
> > > > occultism, were selected to take the Adept's place when
> > > > necessary; and as no Adept or Chela can enter into a woman's 
body
> > > > during times of illness, at such times it had to be taken 
possession
> > > > of by a terrible ill-tempered, ignorant old Tibet woman, in 
place of
> > > > the Adept or Chelas, as she was the only female available for 
this
> > > > purpose. It seems that when either of the four replaced one 
of the
> > > > others, he or she had no idea of what had been said or done 
by the
> > > > predecessor, and thus endless confusion occurred. This 
explains the
> > > > fact that Madame so often contradicts what she had said a few 
hours
> > > > previously, which fact naturally greatly excited Hodgson's
> > > > suspicions. It likewise accounts for the fact that sometimes 
she
> > > > seems to know less about occultism than we ourselves do, 
while at
> > > > others she speaks with the power and authority of a Rishi. For
> > > > months together, in consequence of her various illnesses, the
> > > > terrible old woman alone has inhabited her almost all the 
time, and
> > > > all around her have suffered from her ill-temper. Still the 
Adept
> > > > maintains his connection, in the hope, as we think, to be 
able to
> > > > complete his promulgation of the "secret doctrine" through 
her.
> > > > Whether this poor diseased body will hold together long 
enough for
> > > > this purpose no one at present can predict. Of course this 
true
> > > > explanation is useless for outsiders. But I think I can give 
even to
> > > > them a satisfactory explanation of Madame's contradictions
> > > > without attributing intentional untruth to her, when I inform 
them
> > > > that, as a Russian, she was prone to exaggeration, coupled 
with an
> > > > unretentive memory and an excitable style of speaking; and
> > > > especially when we consider that English is not her mother 
tongue
> > > > ... and therefore she often makes mistakes. Poor old lady! 
her life
> > > > has truly been a wonderful one, and who can say what will 
still come
> > > > of it!'
> > > 
> > 
> > In order to enable easier understanding of the letter, I am 
writing
> > some points written by Mr. Leadbeater.
> > 
> > 1) CWL wrote "We were right in believing that the original H. P.
> > Blavatsky, who was by nature clairvoyant and who had some 
knowledge of
> > occultism, disappeared from earth life some twenty years ago". 
> > 
> > It means real HPB as a soul left that body around 1865 and that 
means
> > whatever Theosophical writing and work are attributed to HPB are 
not
> > done by true HPB.
> > 
> > 2) CWL wrote "original H. P. Blavatsky, who was by nature 
clairvoyant
> > and who had some knowledge of occultism" 
> > 
> > These words don't consider HPB highly evolved and expert in 
occultism.
> > As this true HPB had left her body in 1865, members of TS are not
> > really much concerned about this true HPB.
> > 
> > 3) CWL wrote "as no Adept or Chela can enter into a woman's body
> > during times of illness, at such times it had to be taken 
possession
> > of by a terrible ill-tempered, ignorant old Tibet woman, in place 
of
> > the Adept or Chelas"
> > 
> > This means what people know as HPB was actually this "terrible
> > ill-tempered, ignorant old Tibet woman" occupying body of true HPB
> > that passed away in 1865.
> > 
> > 4) CWL wrote "For this purpose two Chelas, but little versed in
> > occultism, were selected to take the Adept's place" 
> > 
> > These words show that even these two chelas, who tried to work 
through
> > HPB's body, were not expert in occultism.
> > 
> > 5) CWL wrote "For months together, in consequence of her various
> > illnesses, the terrible old woman alone has inhabited her almost 
all
> > the time, and all around her have suffered from her ill-temper."
> > 
> > It means it was for very short time that that Adept and two chelas
> > could occupy and work through HPB's body. Most of the time the 
soul
> > that worked through HPB's body was this "terrible ill-tempered,
> > ignorant old Tibet woman"
> > 
> > 
> > Best
> > Anand Gholap
> >
>