Theos-Talk Archives (August 2008 Message tt00015)

Raquel
   



Thanks for your reply and the copy of th cahrt finding, most interesting. I will have to see what I find about the Chart from the Founding Time.
 Regards,
John 
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From: Raquel Rodríguez <raquel_rpj@yahoo.es> 
John 
Thank you again for your always valuable recommendations, I will ad this book to my virtual library.
I copy the interpretation of the link I sent. It is a short report, but nevertheless I found accurate.

In the horoscope of the United States, Pluto, as it moves through Sagittarius, is crossing the Ascendant of the chart, reflecting a profound transformation on many levels. This aspect has never occurred before in America's history, and therefore it is of the greatest importance. Most likely to be affected is the country's own image of itself, reflected not only in how America presents itself to other nations, but in the myths, dreams, ideals and social expectations which are expressed at home. 
The independent, freedom-loving, expansive, truth-seeking qualities of Sagittarius are evident in the American myth, style, and self-image, and it is this particular image which is likely to be transformed over the time of the Millennium and afterward. There may be some loss of naivety, and some serious questioning of previously held moral and religious assumptions; but at the same time there is also likely to be an increased desire to understand human motivation, and a strong wish to eradicate all those negative internal influences which thwart human rights and dampen hope. This could mean an increase of religious intensity in some quarters. Religious, legal and moral issues are likely to be the source of many conflicts and many creative resolutions over this time. 
The long transit of Pluto is likely to be reflected in much soul-searching and moral and religious questioning, some of it perhaps excessive, but all of it underpinned by a profound collective need to build sounder spiritual and ethical foundations. The subtle influence of Neptune moving through Aquarius could help this process to achieve a creative result because it may remind Americans of their unity with other peoples and other nations, not least through shared material and financial resources; and this could help to offset any intolerance set in motion by Pluto's intense quest for truth. 
Likewise Uranus in Aquarius and Pisces, passing over the Moon in the American chart, may awaken public consciousness of the wider world, and stimulate a desire for greater tolerance and humanitarian concern as well as inspiring new technological and scientific discoveries. 
Liz Greene, 1999 
(Data used: 4 July 1776, 4.50 pm LMT, Philadelphia, PA; this is the so-called "Sibly chart", which was originally published in 1787. It is based, in part, on eyewitness accounts of the signing of the Declaration of Independence. There is another chart commonly used for the USA, which gives Gemini on the Ascendant, but there is no historical evidence to support this horoscope.) 

Warm regards

Raquel

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De: Augoeides-222@comcast.net <Augoeides-222@comcast.net>
Asunto: Re: Theos-World Alice A. Bailey and The United Nations - The Word made FLESH!
Para: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: viernes, 1 agosto, 2008 6:51

Raquel,
Thanks for the link, unfortunately i have some kind of glitch with my e-mail
software that involves certain links addresses somehow and it freezes my IE so I
wasn't able to access it. However I might indicate something for you and
members having to do with Astrology. 

Sepharial
The World Horoscope
Hebrew Astrology
By Sepharial
Key to the Study of Prophecy
London
W. Foulsham & Co., Limited
(Alias Walter Old - he was one of the 6 men in 12 member Inner Teaching Group
of H. P. B. --- she referred to him as "The Astral Tramp" she named
him that due to his habit of roaming around at night in his astral body. On page
38 of this work are the "Period Chart for U.S.A." and the
"Progressed Chart for U.S.A." He illustrates using Both the U.S.A. and
China characterizing America as the Present Western Power and China as the
"future" World Power.)

Regards,
John

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From: Raquel Rodríguez <raquel_rpj@yahoo.es> 

Dear Jonh
I send you a link with the national chart of the United States. I hope you will
find interesting
http://www.astro.com/nat/natus2_e.htm

Best Regards

Raquel

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De: Augoeides-222@comcast.net <Augoeides-222@comcast.net>
Asunto: Re: Theos-World Alice A. Bailey and The United Nations - The Word made
FLESH!
Para: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: viernes, 1 agosto, 2008 3:37

Frank,
Hi and thanks for your reply. I don't know what the Nazi said I have not
the urge to know. You are situated much better than I to advise on that
considering your life experience.

>>> They also claimed that Theosophists teach communism, a Masonic One
World ideology to destroy the natural hierachies of peoples and nations and
races and teach a race intermix as the Marxist Internationale
propagates<< <

Well one way I could visualize how they arrive at that nonsense is simply by
the fact that Theosophy advocates at some distant point if a future where
mankind arrives to a more manifold condition of Unity. It is kind off funny that
dictators hate Unity as an idea of "others"! But will annihilate
millions to create their distortion of unity. Here in Califonia a few decades
ago we had what seemed like millions of "Hippys" that were totally
preoccupied with the idea of Unity. My point is the idea must go back in mankind
a very long time presenting itself to millions along the way, one can safely say
that "Unity" is not thee property of any genre such as Masons,
Communists, Christians or whatever.

>>>World ideology to destroy the natural hierachies of peoples and
nations and
races and teach a race intermix as the Marxist Internationale
propagates<< <

That sound a lot like the Eugenics Frank, they attempted to organize and
chronicle mankind constituency into a rigid stick logic diagram. Hamlets Mill
ground them into dust in very few decades. 
There is considerable apt willingness to argue the previous times idea's.
New Disciplines have arose that contravenes most all of the intellectually
favored previous mistakes. Mankind will do what they will do that is imperically
observable. If there is a will there can be found the way, the heart declines
the coldness and shallowness of puerile scientisms. I some time hold that Nero
and other ancient rulers also long before our present predirelections utilized
excessive hedonisms and the debasement of morality to nurture the grateful
support they needed to stay Ruler. As the air moved over the entirety of the
world so also can the affectations and morality of nations and individuals
change like weather patterns crossing the country side.

I have zero acquaintance in regard to Coudenhove Kalergi. Why did the magazine
accept that content? As far as I have read Frank the Protocols of Zion are
universally declared by reputable Scholars to be fraudulent. I am enclined to
give weight to knowledge.

>>>Many would say it it rather "America" [USA] which bring
hatred to the world<<<

Yes, there is always plenty of that on our plate here. But the usual suspects
most of the time are Socialist Front Organizations, L. The y promulgate a vary
large rumor mill by Leftist Radicals, Nationalist, Communist Front
organizations, NeoNazi Organizations, and many ot!hers that have distinct Racial
Identity's as Organizations. Anarchists also contribute their 2 cents lol
basically they think anything and everything about America is wrong, evil,
racist, hateful, corrupt, oppressive, tyrranical, dictatorial, Gluttoness,
amoral, hedonistic, greedy, apostate, and perhaps 200 more distinct sentiments!
Lol!

Smoking pot definitely alters the ability to discriminate and produce
excellence in judgmental decision making. 

They hate that America fought to keep people free all over the planet and that
they lost most of the time. They hate our Power because it makes them cowards.
They hate our Money because they never understood how to make money and
don't have any money and can't get money because their countrys are
corrupted by rich ruling elites that steal the wealth of the nation and keep in
Swiss Bank Accounts while the people starve. They hate our econimic power
because they mistakenly think we raided their property when what really happened
was We paid money for the "Rights" and paid Royaltys to their Rulers
or Government and we put up the money to Develop what was sitting there
Undeveloped for thousands of years waiting for "anyone" determined
enough with enough know how, skilll, money and mind trust of people that could
perform the event. Excuse me it was the Europeans who had Kings! They hate our
form of National Goverment because they live under the thumbs of evil
and can't escape it. T
hey "hate" is mainly what they do for a living and their Leaders love
that because they externalize it way from them, and it keeps the ruler ruling.
Imagine a world where America had never appeared but all else happened as it did
what would be here right now for everybody??? ??

It is a pity so many are caught in the web of intentional distortions and
redactions of the real history of the world. I wish someday people would get
real.

I will try to find some time to read the link Frank.

Regards,
John
PS: The American Government just spent $1.741 Trillion to bail out Homeowners
and Financial Institution that created the present mess. They didn't even
blink. Not one word of uproar over spending they do.

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From: "Frank Reitemeyer" <dzyan@online. de> 

>I didn't care to read Alice Bailey or Annie Besant as they were both
away
>from H.P.B. in my personal view. Annie Besant was a committed Communist
>before she arrived to Theosophy or met Blavatsky. I consider that she knew
>an opportunity to use Theosophy to advance those causes. I never admit that
>Communists can throw away the tenets they hold dear at the drop of the hat.

Interesting, John. You use against Besant the very same argument as the
Nazis. They also claimed that Theosophists teach communism, a Masonic One
World ideology to destroy the natural hierachies of peoples and nations and
races and teach a race intermix as the Marxist Internationale propagates
(especially directed against the British Theosophists in Germany, which are
said to have been sworn to the City of London and the King of England).

Leading Jews and Freemasons like Coudenhove Kalergi had (and still have when
you look at the EU policy) an agenda that the Jews are the master race which
should rule the Europeans, that race intermix with millions of Africans and
Asians, which will they force to immigrate to Europe, will break the will of
the Europeans so that the Jews can easily rule them:
http://balder. org/judea/ Richard-Coudenho ve-Kalergi- Practical- Idealism-
Vienna-1925. php

Gosh, Coudenhove Kalergi, who spreat his racist and inhuman ideology in a
1923 Vienna Masonic magazine and in several books, which are black listed in
all European states (except in the national library of Finland or Sweden, I
guess), has an agenda similar to the The Protocols of the Learned Elders of
Zion - which are said to be a forgery (as Jews say).

But Coudenhove Kalergi really lived and his books where really printed,
although behind the scene there is much done to silence this Jewish pioneer 
publications.
Why?
Could the sheep awake before kosher butchering?

His contemporary big H at the same time proclaimed that mankind must not be
divided in superior and inferior races and that each race has a worth of its
own (they called it Erbeigenart, which is the same as swabhava in Tibetan
Buddhism) and that the peoples should deal brotherly with each other...

And was Besant not rather a Fabian socialist - a kind of social
democratism - than a communist?

>It is sport today to foment hatred of America so what's new?

Many would say it it rather "America" [USA] which bring hatred to the
world
since a longer time. Or rather a little gangster clique which is raised in 
own-run agngster elite universities, to be trained from their teens on to 
lie and steel so that they become the next foreign rule leaders.

Yet there is no room for anti-americanism in theosophy as the TS was founded
to end foreign rules over the nations and a theosophist, who has studied his
ABC, knows well that the normal American is no more guilty for the crimes of
his pseudo-government as any other human being, except for the occult
connection.

Even HPB, when she was forced to US citizenship to get a heritage, was
furious about the gross inmorality in USA in her letters to her sister.
But the USA of today or HPB's day is not the USA of the founding fathers.

Frank

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