Theos-Talk Archives (July 2008 Message tt00399)

Morten,
   Thanks for your comments. I, being almost twice your age recall most of the history, Mao Tse Tung's Long March defeated the KMT and general Chang Kai Shek who fled to the island of Formosa for refuge. "Possession is 9/10ths of the Law" is an old aphorism and China was the victor. Today the United Nations recognizes only one China, the Mainland China with Taiwan integral to it with conditions.One of the curious things about Formosa/Taiwan is that all the ancient Maps of the Chinese Dynasty's don't show possession of the Island by any of them. it seemed to have maintained a Independent Automony of the mainland with a recognized aboriginal population of "Pirates" established many centuries back. The claim of Formosa being integral to China mainland proper seems to have begun with Mao Tse Sung. "Tai-wan" and "Tai-pei" are both  two names of the three  named parts of  Formosa.
   Much of the post war history is distinctly tainted by Communist Expansionism accompanied by the counter force of the Free West to prevent  them from gobbling all in their path of expansion. It was more Chinese in Korea than Russians, the Russians flew Mig.'s against South Korea and the American and Allied forces. They had routed the No. Koreans back to the Demarcation line and the Yalu river but then China sent 5 Army's across the border overwhelming both the So. Korean and allied forces and pushing them back almost into the South China Sea.It was McArthurs brilliant strategems that saved the day. America lost over 53,000 dead and many more wounded defending the Free South Korea which survives to this day as a stellar free nation. The "Brainwashing" issue was about the No. Korean and Chinese Communist atrocious techniques carried out on American, Aussy, New Zealand, Canadian POW's. In modern China today it is called Reindoctrination or Reeducation. The West never said  "We are n
ot Jesuits"   to anyone to my memory, it is your own aphorism.

    China is part of the equation in world economics but when the shoe drops they are Totalitarian Authoritative Communists to the core above all else and they are strongly still pursuing expansionism having obtained the roof of the world Tibet, parts of India, the Paracel islands, th Sprately Islands, and other localities beyond every previous Chinese dynasty's prior borders. There is a great deal more that could be said but not here.

    Maybe Alice A. Baileys lack of personal mention was she was possibly ignorant of it. It also could have been that in her day and time the world was much different than the way we perceive it now. Recall that all the Arab Nations gloried as allies of Hitler's Third Reich. Turkey is about the only Islamic Nation that examples real Democracy thanks to modern Turkeys Attaturk.

You will notice that in addition to the 5 permanent Security Council members there are also 10 Non-Permanent Security Council Members that also compose the Full Security Council. Those 10 members rotate the 1 year office among the rest of the U. N. members so all have participation in rotating order.

   In the UN there are the 162 Non-aligned Nations so-called which include in it's number the Arab League Nations they are  the greatest number voting in the General Assembly.
     
   As the U.N. was very young in 1949 I  don't assign the same significance to Alice A. Bailey as you prefer. She passed in the same year.

   The United States Tested the Bomb earlier the Russia no thanks to the Rosenberg's.

Once I mentioned the ancient Caannanite/Phoenician Religion here some time back. The Deity was named "El". El had two sons Baal and Yamm. Baal was the "Good" Son who had no place ( no Temple ) to lay his head. Yamm was the bad son. Judaism later had also the motif of Able and Cain sons of the Patriarch and, in similar motif both Islam and Christianity as found are dependent upon Judaism in the same way Judaism if dependent upon the Caananite/Phoenician for certain important origins. Moses threw down the Tablets when he saw they had reverted to the worship of "Baal - the Son of El" characterized as the "Golden Calf", Gold is the highest spiritual color and the Calf is the yet unmatured Bull. In genesis the very first name of deity is "El." 

Regards,
John


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From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> 

My views are:

Thanks John.

It might also be well to know about the difference between the "Republic of China" and "People's Republic of China". And the fact that the People's Republic of China overtook the permanent seat from Republic of China in the United Nations Security Counsil as late as 1971-1972. 

So at Alice A. Bailey's time it was the "Republic of China", who had the permanent seat in United Nations Security Counsil. And it was at that time (the time of Alice A. Bailey writing 1945-1949) a very weak country influenced by foreign countries influences. And we remember that Alice A. Bailey called the communist Soviet a totalitarian state (Try for instance "The Externalisation of the Hierarchy" by Alice A. Bailey).

At the same time one aught to take the role into account of the last part of the Second World War - the war between North and South Korea, who continued fighting even after peace were drawn between Japan and the Allied Forces. The Soviet and USA was heavily involved on both sides. Remember the Soviet first tested its nuclear bomb in august 1949. And Alice A. Bailey disliked the Soviet rule. Other did the same if I might say so.

And later the Korean war with the Brainwashing issue moved into the picture. The West saying: We are not the Jesuits.

Today communist China almost rule world economics. The aim of USA and friends seems to be The Middle East, and they need China to put pressure on Iran etc. And the Middle East was not mentioned by Alice A. Bailey above the level superficial. She only used ten lines on that major religion called Islam in her many pages. And we wonder why? Islam was by her turned into a hybrid offshoot of Christianity with a tinge of Judaism - and not a real Root Religion like Christianity. 

Republic of China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China

People's Republic of China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China

United Nations Security Counsil
"For a view of the council layout click this link http://www.undispatch.com/UN%20Security%20Council%20-%20BBC.gif Until 2000 Israel was the only United Nations member country not a member of any regional group and so could not be elected to the Security Council or become involved in many consultative UN bodies. Israel would normally fall within the Asia group but many Arab states blocked Israel's inclusion in this group. In 2000 Israel was granted temporary membership in the Western European and Others Group (WEOG) and this was extended indefinitely in 2004. Israel is limited in the activities that it can undertake as part of WEOG.[7]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council

North Korea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea

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The bitter truth is that before man can know his own inadequacy, or the competence of another 
man or institution, he must first learn something which will enable him to perceive both. Note well 
that his perception itself is a product of right study; not of instinct or emotional attraction to the 
individual, nor yet of desiring to 'go it alone'. This is 'Learning How To Learn.' (Idries Shah)

M. Sufilight

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Subject: Re: Theos-World Alice A. Bailey and The United Nations - The Word made FLESH!

Morten and all,
Here are a few links that may be helpful in regards to the contnets of this post:

Alice A. Bailey
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Bailey<<<

Charter of the United Nations
>>>http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/<<<

Members of the United Nations Security Council
>>>http://www.un.org/sc/members.asp<<<<

U. N. Police Roles
>>>http://www.unddr.org/iddrs/04/50.php<<<

U. N. Peacekeeping Missions List
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_peacekeeping_missions<<<

United Natiuons -Wikipedia
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations<<<

Regards,
John

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From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> 
To all readers

My views are:

Alice A. Bailey and The United Nations.

A few thoughts on what have happened since the illegal war in Iraq.
And how Alice A. Bailey's teaching are showing to be problematic.

First I will throw a quote, which are important to the following content of this e-mail.

H. P. Blavatsky wrote a letter to W. Q. Judge:
"I am confident that, when the real nature of Theosophy is understood, the prejudice against it, now so unfortunately prevalent, will die out. Theosophists are of necessity the friends of all movements in the world, whether intellectual or simply practical, for the amelioration of the condition of mankind. We are the friends of all those who fight against drunkenness, against cruelty to animals, against injustice to women, against corruption in society or in government, although we do not meddle in politics. "
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/hpb-am/hpb-am1.htm
(Letter I - 1888 - Second Annual Convention - April 22-23 - American Section of the Theosophical Society )

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Alice A. Bailey and The United Nations.

A few thoughts on what have happened since the illegal war in Iraq.

We all know that the international body The United Nations was created in 1945 just after the Second World War. We also know, that it was created to secure the peace in the world for the benefit of the future of mankind for all nations. Please remember: All nations!

The book named "The Externalization of the Hierarchy" by Alice A. Bailey is central in showing how Alice A. Bailey related to the then newborn international organisation called The United Nations. But using her teachings might very well prove to be very bad to do and might play all the cards into the hands of the Jesuits. 

Alice A. Bailey thinks that the United Nations can lead humanity towards liberation.
Even when the United Nations Security Counsil are a non-democratic body with only 5 permanent member countries working for peace! With 4 of them having Christian backgrounds. This kind of corrupt political activity will have to stop in the New World, which awaits humanity.

In the below I will suggest that you have Alice A. Bailey's use of the word "God" in mind.

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1. Try to compare these quotes from Alice A. Bailey with H. P. Blavatsky's teachings
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Alice A. Bailey thinks in the below that the United Nations can lead humanity towards liberation. Even when the United Nations Security Counsil are a non-democratic body working for peace! This kind of corrupt political activity will have to stop in the New World, which awaits humanity.

Alice A. Bailey wrote:
"Esoterically speaking, the work of the Hierarchy is to focus the divine will-to-good as it affects humanity. The work of spiritually minded men is to evoke that will-to-good on earth through as full an expression as possible of goodwill. It is the goodwill of the masses, focused everywhere through the United Nations who are fighting for the liberation of mankind and through the New Group of World Servers, which is sufficient to invoke the will-to-good and only this is adequate. This is an important statement and one on which I would ask you to ponder."
(The Externalization of the Hierarchy by Alice A. Bailey, page 396)

AAB thinks in the below that the United Nations Security Counsil can lead humanity towards liberation. But that is a false aim today, when we only have 5 permanent member countries of The United Nations Security Counsil. With 4 of them having Christian backgrounds.

Alice A. Bailey wrote:
"I would ask all of you, therefore, to have an open mind, to redouble your belief in the fact of the spiritual realities, to have faith in the will-to-good of the divine purpose and to love your fellowmen; and - upon the plane of practical affairs and living - to do two things: Carry forward your due share in this physical plane war, aiding the armed forces of the United Nations to wage war to a successful finish, knowing that there are spiritual realities for which it is worth dying if need be, and that war on evil can be waged without hate and with right purpose; secondly, plan at the same time for those practical measures which, after the war is over, will aid the period of reconstruction and help rehabilitate humanity, and lead to a saner, better, truer way of living."

Alice A. Bailey also wrote:
"There is, however, a plus, a something else, which will swing the tide of victory on to the side of the United Nations. This will come through the effort to understand and express the quality of spiritual Will; it will be the manifestation of that energy which makes the first divine aspect of Will or Power what it is; it is that which is the distinctive feature of the Shamballa force; it is that peculiar and distinctive quality of divinity which is so different that even Christ Himself was unable to express it with facility and understanding."
(The Externalization of the Hierarchy by Alice A. Bailey, page 343)

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2. Try to compare these quotes from H. P. Blavatsky and Alice A. Bailey
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H.P. Blavatsky wrote in December 1887:

In CARNALIZING the central figure of the New Testament, in imposing
the dogma of the Word MADE FLESH, the Latin Church sets up a doctrine
diametrically opposed to the tenets of Buddhist and Hindu Esotericism
and the Greek Gnosis. Therefore, there will always be an abyss
between the East and the West, as long as neither of these dogmas
yields. Almost 2,000 years of bloody persecution against HERETICS
and INFIDELS by the Church looms before the Oriental nations to
prevent them from renouncing their philosophic doctrines in favor of
that which degrades the CHRISTOS principle. [372-373]

...the Christians, by localizing and isolating this great Principle,
and denying it to any other man except Jesus of Nazareth (or the
Nazar), CARNALIZE the Christos of the Gnostics; that alone prevents
them having any point in common with the disciples of the Archaic
Wisdom. . . . [374]

. . . true Theosophists will never accept ...a Christ made
Flesh. . . .[390]

A "God walking on Earth" is pictured entirely different by Alice A. Bailey in her book "Light of the Soul" (The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali - 1927, with commentary by Alice A. Bailey - http://nimrodgroup.org/AAB ) page 13: 

"There are three books which should be in the hands of every student, the Bhagavad Gita, the New Testament, and the Yoga Sutras, for in these three is contained a complete picture of the soul and its unfoldment." ..."In the New Testament there is depicted for us the life of a Son of God in full manifestation, wherein, freed from every veil, the soul in its true nature walks the earth. It becomes apparent to us, as we study the life of Christ, what it means to develop the powers of the soul, to attain liberation, and become, in full glory, a God walking on earth." 

Here Alice A. Bailey is make the Word into FLESH. And this is not acceptable theosophical teaching!

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H. P. Blavatsky wrote about the plot of the Jesuits

". . . . . It would be well perhaps, if the Jesuits contented themselves with making dupes of Freemasons and opposing the Theosophists and Occultists using for it the Protestant clergy as "cat's paw." But their plottings have a much wider scope, and embrace a minuteness of detail and care of which the world in general has no idea. Everything is done by them to bring the mass of mankind again to the state of passive ignorance which they well know is the only one which can help them to the consummation of their purpose of Universal Despotism."
(from THE LETTERS OF H. P. BLAVATSKY to A. P. SINNETT and OTHER MISCELLANEOUS LETTERS TRANSCRIBED, COMPILED, AND WITH AN INTRODUCTION By A. T. BARKER. First Published 1925)

M. Sufilight

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