Theos-Talk Archives (June 2008 Message tt00038)

Dear Cass and all

My views are:

Allright, finally.
So know you seem to agree with me on that J. Krishnamurti at least in his early days - himself - claimed to be conscious as Maitreya - the World Teacher.

And where is this - FACT - leading the TS of today with its elections, its Esoteric Section's structure and most of its leaders?
How can theosophy be practised offficially in The Theosophical Soceity with a Messiah cult and a Messiah, which did not show sign of being an Messiah on level above the feet of Jesus Christ as he is pictured in the bigotted Christians Bibles?



M. Sufilight



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Cass Silva 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:47 AM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Geoffrey Hodson on Krishnamurti's Maitreya claim


  I have no doubt that Krishnamurti was aided by his Master and that a blending may have occured in the early days, however, this was not a full blown takeover.  Krishnamurti would have had a choice to proceed or not, he obviously chose the former, whether this resulted in karmic consequences only the gods know.
   
  I was told by a theosophical clairvoyant many many years ago, that Krishnamurti, was originally part of the Angelic Kingdom and because of a love connection was granted permission to join the Human Kingdom, and for some reason, it was this that prevented him from going against his own nature.  Who knows?
   
  Cass

  --- On Tue, 6/3/08, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:

  From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Geoffrey Hodson on Krishnamurti's Maitreya claim
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
  Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 1:55 AM

  My views are:

  Dear Cass and all readers,

  I find I am not mistaken in my clairvoyance - the following passages by G. Hodson on J. Krishnamurti' s - changes of the Object of the Order of The Star in the East - can be verified by someone at TS Adyar if they are willing to do so and admit the truth about it. (There is no religion higher than Truth.)

  G. Hodson said:
  "These phenomena occurred during some few successive years, the events being so
  marked that Krishnamurti himself thereafter changed the Objects of the Order of the
  Star in the East from, in effect, "To prepare for the coming of the Lord" to "To serve
  the World Teacher now that He is in our midst." I, myself, more than once heard
  Krishnamurti affirm that the great Teacher was now here and that the "Coming" had
  actually occurred."

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  I will seek to be better. The below aught to help you going.

  "Krishnamurti wrote in 1927:
  "I know my destiny and my work. I know with certainty and knowledge of my own, that I am blending 
  into the consciousness of the one Teacher and that He will completely fill me." 
  Letter from Krishnamurti to Leadbeater February 9, 1927, quoted in Lutyens, Krishnamurti: The 
  Years of Awakening, p. 241.

  The following article from february 2008 at Theos-talk might help you to remember it all.
  http://www.theos- talk.com/ archives/ 200802/tt00249. html

  It is also here in a perhaps more readable version on the Alpheus website written by Govert Schuller. Not that I agree with Govert Schuller on everything he writes on his website.
  http://www.alpheus. org/html/ articles/ esoteric_ history/story. html

  Especially the varouis footnotes are interesting. 

  Here are some of them:

  "3.Annie Besant wrote in 1912:"It may interest members to recall the fact that Mme. H.P. Blavatsky, one of the founders ofthe T.S., regarded it as the mission of the T.S. to prepare the world for the coming of thenext great Teacher, though she put that event perhaps half a century later than I do. Which ofus is right as to date, only time can show. I do not say that she was necessarily right inmaking this its mission, but as she proclaimed this view in the supposedly 'uncolored' days,under 'the old régime,' the repetition of the statement by myself does not imply any changeof policy. She wrote: 'The next impulse will find a numerous and united body of people readyto welcome the new torch-bearer of Truth. He will find the minds of men prepared for his message, a language ready for him in which to clothe the new truths he brings, an organization awaiting his arrival, which will remove the merely mechanical, material obstacles and difficulties from his
  path.' That was the view of one of our Founders--really of both--as to 'the future of the Theosophical Society,' and my crime is that I share it, and do what my poor powers permit in preparing the minds of men for that coming."Annie Besant, "Freedom of Opinion in the T.S.," letter to The Vâhan 21\8 (March 1912), p. 153. "4."Shortly after meeting Krishna for the first time, Leadbeater revealed to [Theosophist Ernest] Wood that the boy was to be the vehicle for the Lord Maitreya 'unless something went wrong' and that he, Leadbeater, had been directed to help train him for that purpose." Mary Lutyens, Krishnamurti: The Years of Awakening, (New York: Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 1975), p. 21. "5."In particular the German Section of the Theosophical Society, led by Rudolf Steiner, expressed its intolerance towards members of the Order of the Star, by stating that membership of both organizations was mutually exclusive. This policy was obviously contrary to
  the principle of freedom of thought and association, a cornerstone of the Theosophical Society. The defiant stand taken on this issue by the German Section led eventually to the cancellation of their charter."7." Leadbeater wrote in 1930:"This is He who should come, and there is no need to look elsewhere; as I have said, I know that the World-Teacher often speaks through Krishnaji, but I also know that there are occasions when He does not."C.W. Leadbeater, "Art Thou He That Should Come?" The Theosophist 51\9 (June 1930), p. 472."8."Krishnamurt i wrote in 1927:"I know my destiny and my work. I know with certainty and knowledge of my own, that I am blending into the consciousness of the one Teacher and that He will completely fill me." Letter from Krishnamurti to Leadbeater February 9, 1927, quoted in Lutyens, Krishnamurti: The Years of Awakening, p. 241."I never said: I am the World Teacher; but now that I feel I am one with my Beloved, I say it."Talk by
  Krishnamurti, August 2, 1927, quoted in Lutyens, p. 250. Annie Besant declared in 1927:"The Divine Spirit has descended once more on a man, Krishnamurti, one who in his life is literally perfect, as those who know him can testify... . The World Teacher is here."Annie Besant, "The Way of Sorrows and the Way of Happiness: The New Message" The Theosophist 48/7 (April 1927), p. 6d. "9."I had a talk with [Theosophist] Jinarajadasa, who staggered me by saying that the gathering at Eerde [in August 1927] had been a tragedy and a failure and had almost wrecked the Plan of the Brotherhood. " Lady Emily Lutyens, Candles in the Sun (London: Rupert Hart-Davis, 1957), p. 163."C.W.L. declared privately when in Adyar in 1927 that 'The Coming had gone wrong.'" Adrian G. Vreede, "An Attack on Bishop Leadbeater," The Liberal Catholic 34\7 (February 1964), p. 150." 10."[His mission was] a success while still overshadowed by the world-Teacher, .. a failure afterwards." An
  English Master, "Sir Thomas" in His Pupil [Cyril Scott], The Initiate in the Dark Cycle (London: Routledge, 1932), p. 141."It became all but impossible for him to be used any longer as my medium."Lord Maitreya in David Anrias [Brian Ross], Through the Eyes of the Masters: Meditations and Portraits (London: Routledge, 1932), p. 66." 12.But the backing does not come without critical evaluation: "Look at those who have had the dispensation of the Ascended Masters in the Theosophical Society, the Rosicrucian Order, the Agni Yoga Society, the I AM movement and other forward movements that have begun to unveil the presence and teachings of great adepts in the earth. Look at the members of these organizations, beloved. Some have almost become intellectual snobs, for they do not use the teachings to challenge the forces of Darkness in the earth but only to elevate themselves as the wise ones, for they have such and such teaching that other earthlings do not
  have. This was never the Brotherhood' s intent in the founding of esoteric organizations. " Mighty Victory, "Becoming more of God Day by Day," Pearls of Wisdom 37/32 (August 7, 1994), pp. 376-377."

  But, perhaps you do not care about the theosophical teachings?

  M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Cass Silva 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 1:38 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Geoffrey Hodson on Krishnamurti' s Maitreya claim

  I don't give a rats what Hodson said.
  Cass

  --- On Mon, 6/2/08, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk> wrote:

  From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
  Subject: Theos-World Geoffrey Hodson on Krishnamurti' s Maitreya claim
  To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
  Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 3:06 AM

  To all readers

  My views are:

  In the following we learn that Geoffrey Hodson claimed that J. Krishnamurti stated - SEVERAL TIMES - that he was the Maitreya - World Teacher. What more do you want?

  AN APPRECIATION OF C. W. LEADBEATER By Geoffrey Hodson
  "As I have elsewhere written, I attended several of the Star Camps in Holland and
  was present when there was evidence of remarkable, if brief, supernormal
  manifestations. On more than one occasion some two thousand people from many
  parts of the world were gathered at Ommen to hear Krishnamurti. Each evening, all
  were seated in concentric circles round a large camp fire. Krishnamurti would arrive,
  take his place for a time, and then rise and apply a torch to the camp fire. As the
  flames arose against the evening sky he would chant a mantram to the god Agni, and
  return to his seat. Thereafter he would begin to speak, and on more than one occasion
  a noticeable change took place in him. His voice altered and his hitherto rather
  iconoclastic utterances gave way to a wonderful tenderness of expression and thought
  which induced in those present an elevation of consciousness. The Talks were
  followed by prolonged meditative silences. Many of those present, myself among
  them, bore testimony to the sense of divine peace which had descended, to a
  realization of the Presence of the Lord, and to an assurance that the prophecy had
  begun to be fulfilled.
  These phenomena occurred during some few successive years, the events being so
  marked that Krishnamurti himself thereafter changed the Objects of the Order of the
  Star in the East from, in effect, "To prepare for the coming of the Lord" to "To serve
  the World Teacher now that He is in our midst." I, myself, more than once heard
  Krishnamurti affirm that the great Teacher was now here and that the "Coming" had
  actually occurred. Even now when he is speaking, with others I discern a spiritual
  influence emanating from him, as if a great Being were still using him as a vehicle.
  This, however, does not constitute a complete fulfillment of the original prophecy. "
  www.theosophical. org/resources/ articles/ AppreciationofCW L.pdf (written around 1965)M. Sufilight

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