Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00870)

My views are:


Dear Anand...

Anand wrote:
"Word God does not exist in original Hebrew Old Testament. Yahweh was
the word which was used in Hebrew Old Testament. 
English translation of Yahweh is God. 
Similarly English translation of Ishwara, Parabramha, Paramatma is God."


1.
M. Sufilight:
Sorry, but No, that is wrong.

H. P. Blavatsky clearly stated that the God of the theologians was a dualistic and personal God.
And that ParaBrahman was beyond thought and non-dual.



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2.
 Maybe some will say I am too concerned,
but according to Blavatsky we have that ParaBrahman is not a "he", something C. W. Leadbeater and Annie Besant was never tired of being in direct opposition to in their writings:

H. P. Blavatsky says:
"Parabraham is not this or that, it is not even consciousness, as
it cannot be related to matter or anything conditioned. It is not Ego nor is
it Non-ego, not even Atma, but verily the one source of all manifestations
and modes of existence."
(written in The secret Doctrine, Vol 1., page 130 by Blavatsky )
http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/SDVolume_I.htm";


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3.
H. P. Blavatsky says:
"For the Esoteric philosophy is alone calculated to withstand, in this age of crass and illogical materialism, the repeated attacks on all and everything man holds most dear and sacred, in his inner spiritual life. The true philosopher, the student of the Esoteric Wisdom, entirely loses sight of personalities, dogmatic beliefs and special religions. Moreover, Esoteric philosophy reconciles all religions, strips every one of its outward, human garments, and shows the root of each to be identical with that of every other great religion."
(The Secret Doctrine - Vol. 1, Page xx, INTRODUCTORY)


M. Sufilight comment:
She is certainly - not - saying that the theosophical teaching and Esoteric philosophy reconciles all religions, strips every one of its outward, human garments, and shows the root of each to be identical with that of CHRISTIANITY.
Is she?


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4.
H. P. Blavatsky says:
"Esoteric philosophy has never rejected God in Nature, nor Deity as the absolute and abstract Ens. It only refuses to accept any of the gods of the so-called monotheistic religions, gods created by man in his own image and likeness, a blasphemous and sorry caricature of the Ever Unknowable."
(The Secret Doctrine - Vol. 1, Page xx, INTRODUCTORY)


M. Sufilight comment:
So to use the word God in a dualistic oriented manner was never theosophical teaching.



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5.
H. P. Blavatsky says:

"The personal God of orthodox Theism perceives, thinks, and is affected by emotion; he repents and feels "fierce anger." But the notion of such mental states clearly involves the unthinkable postulate of the externality of the exciting stimuli, to say nothing of the impossibility of ascribing changelessness to a Being whose emotions fluctuate with events in the worlds he presides over. The conceptions of a Personal God as changeless and infinite are thus unpsychological and, what is worse, unphilosophical."
(The Secret Doctrine - Vol. 1, Page 2, INTRODUCTORY)


M. Sufilight comment:
So there is a wide gap of difference in the theosophical view upon the personal God of the Orthodox religious and the view they themselves are apllying to that same personal God.



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M. Sufilight



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anand 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:13 PM
  Subject: Theos-World Re: Failure of Krishnamurti on the path of occultism



  > The word "God" does not belong to the Indian tradition. It is 
  > originated in the Old Testament. Words that refer to the Divine 
  > Ground in the Indian tradition are "Brahman" (Vastness), "Shiva" 
  > (Auspicious, Good), "Parabrahman" (Absolute, Eternal), among others. 

  Word God does not exist in original Hebrew Old Testament. Yahweh was
  the word which was used in Hebrew Old Testament. 
  English translation of Yahweh is God. 
  Similarly English translation of Ishwara, Parabramha, Paramatma is God.

  "In spite of significant differences between religions such as
  Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, the Bahá'í Faith, and Judaism, the term
  "God" remains an English translation common to all. "

  > If you are born in a Christian or Hindu or Muslim or Jewish family, 
  > do you have much choice? Normally, a child will be educated and 
  > condiotioned according to the religion of his or her parents. I think 
  > that if you search for statistics of religious affiliation today, you 
  > would be surprised with the number of Buddhists in the world. I am 
  > sure it is nowadays over a billion people. In Australian, Buddhism is 
  > the fastest growing religion, particularly among young people who 
  > have declared themselves frustrated and utterly disappointed with 
  > Christianity and its many dogmatic aspects. 

  Below I am giving the statistics. Now tell me why there are only 6 %
  people in the world are Buddhists, whereas vast majority of mankind
  believe in religions with God as central idea ? 
  Christians 33.32% (of which Roman Catholics 16.99%, Protestants 5.78%,
  Orthodox 3.53%, Anglicans 1.25%), Muslims 21.01%, Hindus 13.26%,
  Buddhists 5.84%, Sikhs 0.35%, Jews 0.23%, Baha'is 0.12%, other
  religions 11.78%, non-religious 11.77%, atheists 2.32% (2007 est.)

  > 
  > > I also see one more meaning in the letter. Masters might be saying
  > > that dependence on old religions should lessen and advanced people
  > > should rely on new and better religions like Theosophy, LCC. 
  > However I
  > > don't think Theosophy and LCC can be understood by common people.
  > > These can become religion for more advanced souls. For common 
  > people
  > > Christianity will still be very useful in keeping people on the path
  > > of virtue.
  > 
  > 
  > This may be a very dangerous notion: "religion for more advanced 
  > souls". Who is the judge? Who can judge? What are the criteria? 

  It is not a dangerous idea. It is a fact. When person evolves, he
  automatically gets attracted towards more advanced religion like
  Theosophy. And it can not be judged by others. When a person comes in
  contact with any philosophy, he knows whether his heart responds to it
  or not. I don't tell who should study Theosophy and who should not.
  Every one has to think for himself if his inner nature accepts gladly
  Theosophy or not.

  If a 
  > person finds inspiration and clarity in any teaching that is their 
  > business. When the Portuguese arrived in Brazil in 1500, the jesuit 
  > fathers that came with them gave them permission to kill native 
  > aborigenes because, according to their theology, the aborigenes did 
  > not have a soul! As a result, one of the Portuguese explorers once 
  > came back from a jungle incursion bringing nothing less than 7,000 
  > ears that his men had cut off from the aborigenes they had killed. In 
  > other words, the jesuits' "God" was nothing less than a gigantic 
  > killing machine. 

  You have wrong ideas about jesuits. Bible askes to make disciples of all 
  nations and it does not tell that some people don't have souls. Most
  of the jesuits know it. One jesuit mentioned by you may have wrong
  ideas, but it is his mistake, not the mistake of jesuit organization. 

  Few years back I think you had given reference where HPB rejected
  Buddhist no-God theory and accepts existence of God. May be you can
  bring that reference again.

  Anand Gholap



   

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