Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00782)

Absolutely, 100% correct, IMO, Anton. The very things that the Masonic and Esoteric Section subscribes to makes the people feel elite and superior. 100% correct. If the virtues that these organizations should be instilling were truly present, they would all be saints, instead of egotists.

Instead, these organizations are filled with the elite and the effete. So very sad.

Marie







-----Original Message-----
From: Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@yahoo.com>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 1:52 pm
Subject: Theos-World Re: Independent Inquiry into the TS Election







Dear Marie, Anand and all,

>… the highest motives, the highest standards, the highest integrity 
and the highest and best persons to spread theosophy to the world. 
Radha and John both do these very well. But they lack honesty and 
integrity. IMO. They seem to compromise their highest values when 
they seek to keep or obtain more power.<

I think that what seems to be their lack of honesty and integrity and 
their apparent omitting of their highest values has much to do with 
the relations between the Theosophical Society and the Co-Masonry and 
the Esoteric Section and the established or forced conviction that 
these organizations are wholly separated. 

The Co-Masonry and the Esoteric Section are ideological 
organizations. The main idea in Co-Masonry seems to be: "… to build 
to the Glory of the Great Architect of the Universe, to the 
perfection of Humanity, and to the service of the Head of All True 
Freemasons," while that of the Esoteric Section seems to be: "The 
real Head of the Esoteric Section is a Master ... no member has the 
power or knowledge to decide what either he or another is entitled 
to. This must be left to those who know - alone." And as there is 
higher discipline and obedience required from the members of these 
organizations there is apparently present the conviction that these 
organizations are somehow superior to the Theosophical Society. 

But is this so? Is any ideology superior to the un-ideology which 
leads to Freedom and Truth? Can one who holds an ideology at the same 
time profess un-ideology when running two separate organizations? 

Both candidates who now run for the Presidency of the Theosophical 
Society are Heads of the Co-Masonry and Esoteric Section and 
therefore already posses the power. Out of established conviction of 
assumed superiority there seems to be established also the conviction 
that they are therefore naturally entitled to run for the office of 
the Head of the Theosophical Society - not for the office of the 
highest administrator but to be elected as the head of organization, 
for this is how the perspective of the office of the President of the 
Theosophical Society have changed under this influence.

It is simply impossible to profess the role of the Head of the Co-
Masonry and Esoteric Section and at the same time wholly adhere to 
the Rules and Regulations of the Theosophical Society. This was 
recognized already by Annie Besant who said that this situation is 
mere farce. And an independent inquiry of the election process which 
would try to uncover also the influence of the Co-Masonry and the 
Esoteric Section on this process will for sure confirm that statement.

When I saw the President's letter my first reaction was: "Well, we 
have really reached the bottom! The President herself has launched a 
political charade and is openly violating the Rules and Regulations 
of the Theosophical Society she is obliged to strictly protect and 
behave accordingly!" 

But this Djin of arbitrary conduct was released from the bottle 
already long, long time ago and now it has just became obvious and 
visible. It is he who already for a long, long time controls the 
Theosophical Society and to great extend inflames personal ambitions 
and interests and too often subdues to them our common goal.

When there is such crisis present in the Society the only way out is 
to return to the source, to the principles expressed by the Founders, 
to its purpose and objects, to the proposed and existing Rules of 
conduct and acquired Freedoms. The only way out is to try to close 
this Djin back into the bottle. And this can be done only in the 
spirit of brotherhood and with the unified endeavors and wisdom. 

Warmest regards,
Anton

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, mkr777@... wrote:
>
> My 0.02.
> 
> I agree, TS needs reform.
> 
> It is very simple.
> 
> First step is transparency -- top to bottom.
> 
> Second, all International Leaders and National Leaders should sign 
up here
> and participate and discuss issues.
> 
> Then all changes will follow.
> 
> mkr
> 
> On 5/25/08, Anand <AnandGholap@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> > MarieMAJ41@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Anand, I see a closed circle as being that of a snake eating 
its own
> > tail.
> >
> > Marie, Pl. elaborate how it happens in the TS. TS organization 
really
> > needs reforms.
> > Anand Gholap
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Anand <AnandGholap@>
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 3:09 am
> > > Subject: Theos-World Re: Independent Inquiry into the TS 
Election
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Marie,
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> > MarieMAJ41@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > Radha and John both do these very well. But they lack honesty 
and
> > > integrity. IMO. They seem to compromise their highest values 
when they
> > > seek to keep or obtain more power. That is where I am coming 
from.
> > > They seem to believe that whatever it takes, they are the ones 
who
> > > should be in power. Why? And why are there only 2 nominations? 
Ask
> > > yourself that. Because it is a closed circle....excluding many
> > > qualified people. John and Radha both have ceased to >be my role
> > models.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Please explain what you mean by close circle and how it works.
> > > Thanks.
> > > Anand Gholap
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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