Re: Theos-World Madame Blavatsky and Jiddu Krishnamurti; a conducive "marriage?"
May 10, 2008 03:12 AM
--- nhcareyta <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> Dear Morten
> Thank you for your reply.
> You write, "H. P. Blavatsky also taught about
> illusions,maya and the like. Others did the same.
> So why is J. Krishnamurti important when compared
> to others?
You'r after the person, Morten is comparing their
input is what I read...
> To this I can only suggest you make a careful
> study of his works, if you haven't already done
> so. If you have, we will simply have to agree to
> disagree as to the importance and practical
> relevance of his works.
When you have found a glinpse of the Truth inside,
your mind can reflect it even in tabloid magazines.
> You write, "H. P. Blavatsky is and was stages above
> J. Krishnamurti."
> It is surprising you claim the ability to judge
> whom is "higher" than whom. From my understanding
> only a high degree adept with genuine seership
> has the ability to make this determination.
I think Morten was discussing the quality of their
work here, again not their persona (mask)
> You write, "And the difference of level of
> spiritual impact of these two are quite obviously
> telling me, that H. P. Blavatsky was operating on
> a much higher level than J. Krishnamurti."
> Once again you seem to be professing the powers
> of an adept. To judge someone's level of spiritual
> attainment, and moreover to compare it with another,
> is perhaps just a little presumptuous?
No can judge never, you can only judge your own
reaction on the input you get from others.
If an adept was a judge on any matter, this world
would already have been in the last round(actually it
is, we just live in the past)
> > Dear Morten
> > Thank you for your response and questions.
> > One of the major components of the Tibetan
> > Buddhist tradition involves occult study and
> > training leading to the Geshe degree, which can
> > often require twenty five years to complete.
> > Madame Blavatsky was trained in certain of
> > these teachings and practices.
> > Included in this study and training is profound
> > and prolonged meditation practice designed for
> > the candidate to achieve the various states of
> > sunyata, emptiness or void.
> > Two of these forms of meditation practice in
> > Tibetan schools are termed Dzogchen and
> > Mahamudra.
> > Sunyata refers to states of consciousness that
> > are outside ordinary mental functioning and
> > which recognise the illusory nature of thought.
> > During the process of awakening these states, an
> > awareness arises within whereupon we realise the
> > profound effect that skandhas, biology,
> > upbringing, peers, culture and society have on
> > our perception and judgements of the world
> > around us.
> > A component of Madame Blavatsky and her
> > role was to introduce occult knowledge. Another
> > was to present this knowledge in such a manner
> > to assist in the transformation of our ordinary
> > thought processes, or mindset, towards
> > the illusory states and discerning the Real.
> > "The Mind is the great Slayer of the Real. Let
> > Disciple slay the Slayer."
> > "Thou hast to study the voidness of the seeming
> > full, the fulness of the seeming void. O
> > Aspirant, look deep within the well of thine own
> > heart, and answer. Knowest thou of Self the
> > powers, O thou perceiver of external shadows?"
> > Voice of the Silence.
> > Whilst it was Madame Blavatsky's predominant
> > to bring specific academic, occult teachings,
> > albeit in the format explained above, it was
> > Jiddu Krishnamurti's teaching role to focus
> > entirely on the illusory nature of mind thereby
> > exposing the impediments to true Knowledge.
> > In doing this, and as he steadily matured, he
> > apparently saw the need to challenge the manner
> > in which "theosophical" teachings were producing
> > a mindset of holy writ. This was largely due to
> > the reductionist and religious mindsets of later
> > commentators on the writings of Madame Blavatsky
> > and her teachers. These included Bishop C W
> > Leadbeater, Dr A Besant, Bishop G Arundale and
> > Rev. G Hodson, each a leading light and putative
> > authority on "theosophy" in the Adyar
> > Society.
> > For these reasons, the roles and teachings of
> > Madame Blavatsky and Jiddu Krishnamurti are
> > mutually supportive for occult training and
> > awakening and are therefore theosophically
> > compatible.
> > Kind regards
> > Nigel
> > --- In email@example.com, "Morten
> Nymann Olesen" <global-
> > theosophy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > To all readers
> > >
> > > My views are:
> > >
> > > Thanks Nigel!
> > >
> > > On J. Krishnamurti:
> > > I do not understand how J. Krishnamurti can be
> said to be in
> > support of Esoteric Buddhism and Blavatsky's
> version of theosophy
> > the teaching of Master-Chelaship. Krishnamurti
> rejected guru's
> > called them a crutch.
> > > Are you able to explain this?
> > >
> > > I do find, that various persons can and do
> benefit from J.
> > Krishnamurti's writings, but I will never find
> them to be in
> > of the continuation af The Theosophical Society
> as it was given
> by H.
> > P. Blavatsky.
> > >
> > > And J. Krishnamurti's allowance of himself
> being called
> Maitreya by
> > Annie Besant and C. W. Leadbeater is nothing but
> a doctrine,
> > was creating - emotionalism within the
> Theosophical Society.
> > Theosophy is based not belief. It is based on
> Truth. There is no
> > religion higher than TRUTH.
> > > So I have my difficulties with accepting J.
> krishnamurti as a
> > useful teacher within the Theosophical Society's
> - H. P.
> > branch.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > M. Sufilight
> > >
> > >
> > > H. P. Blavatsky said:
> > > "The Society founded to remedy the glaring
> evils of
> > to shun bigotry and intolerance, cant and
> superstition and to
> > cultivate real universal love extending even to
> the dumb brute".
> > > (The Collected Writings of H. P. Blavatsky,
> vol. 7, p.246)
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: nhcareyta
> > > To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 5:03 AM
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