Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00381)

--- nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> Dear Morten
> 
> Thank you for your reply.
> 
> You write, "H. P. Blavatsky also taught about 
> illusions,maya and the like. Others did the same. 
> So why is J. Krishnamurti important when compared 
> to others?

You'r after the person, Morten is comparing their
input is what I read...



 
> To this I can only suggest you make a careful 
> study of his works, if you haven't already done 
> so. If you have, we will simply have to agree to 
> disagree as to the importance and practical 
> relevance of his works.

When you have found a glinpse of the Truth inside,
your mind can reflect it even in tabloid magazines.

> 
> 
> You write, "H. P. Blavatsky is and was stages above 
> J. Krishnamurti."
> 
> It is surprising you claim the ability to judge 
> whom is "higher" than whom. From my understanding 
> only a high degree adept with genuine seership 
> has the ability to make this determination. 

I think Morten was discussing the quality of their
work here, again not their persona (mask)

> 
> You write, "And the difference of level of 
> spiritual impact of these two are quite obviously 
> telling me, that H. P. Blavatsky was operating on 
> a much higher level than J. Krishnamurti."
> 
> Once again you seem to be professing the powers 
> of an adept. To judge someone's level of spiritual 
> attainment, and moreover to compare it with another,
> 
> is perhaps just a little presumptuous?

No can judge never, you can only judge your own
reaction on the input you get from others.
If an adept was a judge on any matter, this world
would already have been in the last round(actually it
is, we just live in the past)


> 
> Regards
> Nigel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> >   Dear Morten
> > 
> >   Thank you for your response and questions.
> > 
> >   One of the major components of the Tibetan 
> >   Buddhist tradition involves occult study and 
> >   training leading to the Geshe degree, which can 
> >   often require twenty five years to complete. 
> >   Madame Blavatsky was trained in certain of 
> >   these teachings and practices.
> > 
> >   Included in this study and training is profound 
> >   and prolonged meditation practice designed for 
> >   the candidate to achieve the various states of 
> >   sunyata, emptiness or void. 
> > 
> >   Two of these forms of meditation practice in 
> >   Tibetan schools are termed Dzogchen and 
> >   Mahamudra. 
> > 
> >   Sunyata refers to states of consciousness that 
> >   are outside ordinary mental functioning and 
> >   which recognise the illusory nature of thought. 
> >   During the process of awakening these states, an
> 
> >   awareness arises within whereupon we realise the
> 
> >   profound effect that skandhas, biology, 
> >   upbringing, peers, culture and society have on 
> >   our perception and judgements of the world 
> >   around us. 
> > 
> >   A component of Madame Blavatsky and her
> teachers' 
> >   role was to introduce occult knowledge. Another 
> >   was to present this knowledge in such a manner
> as 
> >   to assist in the transformation of our ordinary 
> >   thought processes, or mindset, towards
> recognising 
> >   the illusory states and discerning the Real.
> > 
> >   "The Mind is the great Slayer of the Real. Let
> the 
> >   Disciple slay the Slayer." 
> >   "Thou hast to study the voidness of the seeming 
> >   full, the fulness of the seeming void. O
> fearless 
> >   Aspirant, look deep within the well of thine own
> 
> >   heart, and answer. Knowest thou of Self the 
> >   powers, O thou perceiver of external shadows?" 
> >   Voice of the Silence. 
> > 
> >   Whilst it was Madame Blavatsky's predominant
> role 
> >   to bring specific academic, occult teachings, 
> >   albeit in the format explained above, it was 
> >   Jiddu Krishnamurti's teaching role to focus
> almost 
> >   entirely on the illusory nature of mind thereby 
> >   exposing the impediments to true Knowledge. 
> > 
> >   In doing this, and as he steadily matured, he 
> >   apparently saw the need to challenge the manner 
> >   in which "theosophical" teachings were producing
> 
> >   a mindset of holy writ. This was largely due to 
> >   the reductionist and religious mindsets of later
> 
> >   commentators on the writings of Madame Blavatsky
> 
> >   and her teachers. These included Bishop C W 
> >   Leadbeater, Dr A Besant, Bishop G Arundale and 
> >   Rev. G Hodson, each a leading light and putative
> 
> >   authority on "theosophy" in the Adyar
> Theosophical 
> >   Society.
> > 
> >   For these reasons, the roles and teachings of 
> >   Madame Blavatsky and Jiddu Krishnamurti are 
> >   mutually supportive for occult training and 
> >   awakening and are therefore theosophically 
> >   compatible.
> > 
> >   Kind regards
> >   Nigel
> > 
> >   --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten
> Nymann Olesen" <global-
> >   theosophy@> wrote:
> >   >
> >   > To all readers
> >   > 
> >   > My views are:
> >   > 
> >   > Thanks Nigel!
> >   > 
> >   > On J. Krishnamurti:
> >   > I do not understand how J. Krishnamurti can be
> said to be in 
> >   support of Esoteric Buddhism and Blavatsky's
> version of theosophy 
> on 
> >   the teaching of Master-Chelaship. Krishnamurti
> rejected guru's 
> and 
> >   called them a crutch.
> >   > Are you able to explain this?
> >   > 
> >   > I do find, that various persons can and do
> benefit from J. 
> >   Krishnamurti's writings, but I will never find
> them to be in 
> support 
> >   of the continuation af The Theosophical Society
> as it was given 
> by H. 
> >   P. Blavatsky.
> >   > 
> >   > And J. Krishnamurti's allowance of himself
> being called 
> Maitreya by 
> >   Annie Besant and C. W. Leadbeater is nothing but
> a doctrine, 
> which 
> >   was creating - emotionalism within the
> Theosophical Society. 
> >   Theosophy is based not belief. It is based on
> Truth. There is no 
> >   religion higher than TRUTH.
> >   > So I have my difficulties with accepting J.
> krishnamurti as a 
> >   useful teacher within the Theosophical Society's
> - H. P. 
> Blavatsky 
> >   branch.
> >   > 
> >   > 
> >   > 
> >   > M. Sufilight
> >   > 
> >   > 
> >   > H. P. Blavatsky said:
> >   > "The Society founded to remedy the glaring
> evils of 
> Christianity, 
> >   to shun bigotry and intolerance, cant and
> superstition and to 
> >   cultivate real universal love extending even to
> the dumb brute".
> >   > (The Collected Writings of H. P. Blavatsky,
> vol. 7, p.246)
> >   > 
> >   > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   > From: nhcareyta 
> >   > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> >   > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 5:03 AM
> 
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