Re: Theos-World The Carbonell letter
May 07, 2008 11:30 PM
by Martin
As I remember from reading, HPB wasn't that healthy as
well, however she did what she did and we wouldn't
discuss any here if she hadn't be around...
--- Jokela Petri <jokelap@dnainternet.net> wrote:
> Mostly members in Finland are not aware of Radha´s
> healt or wrong information about her healt as far as
> I know. So it has not have any effect on them. Only
> those few members who read this know about that. I
> have forwarded translated versions to some friend
> members about some main letters and dodctor´s
> certification of Radha´s health. Still they mostly
> think Radha is too old for administator work of TS.
> I hope if John becomes elected that we do not get
> plasma tvs to Leabdeater chamber´s rooms and so on.
> If Radha becomes elected I wish next time I go there
> beats of the roof wont drop down on floor and
> spcecially on my newly washed cloths which I am
> ironong in ironing room. Also I wish that water
> tanks stops linking on the top of the Leadbeater
> Chamber. And also that all mould have been fixed off
> ogf te building. Also I wish that cover of
> electricity connection box of iron won´t drop off.
> Last time I had to fix it by myself. THAT IS
> DANGEROUS AND CAN CAUSE A DEATH! I say this even
> though someone said that president should not be
> elected based on these matters. But President has
> been responsible about these almost this far. I am
> sure that as Betty Blant said that Adyar would
> flourish under John´s leadership this is something
> that would happen and get better. Sure Radha has
> done something also about these matters, we need
> more activity in this matter to make our stay at
> Adyar safe and pleasant. Spiritual Center or Ashram
> does not mean that one has to live in such a
> dangeroues place for health and so on. PJ this at
> all that Radha´s health ----- Original Message
> ----- From: prmoliveira To:
> theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May
> 07, 2008 11:45 PM Subject: Theos-World The
> Carbonell letter Below, I reproduce Elvira
> Carbonell's letter, which was sent out, by email,
> from Adyar, on 19 December 2007: "Dear General
> Council member, Mr Lindemann: Since there has
> been uncertainty about the state of our
> President's health and our Vice-President's
> willingness and ability to accept nominations for
> the upcoming Presidential election, several of us
> at Adyar feel the need to write to members of the
> General Council to share the following
> information. Many of us at Adyar are concerned
> that our President will be putting an unnecessary
> burden on herself and her prospects for continued
> recovery if she runs for another term. Because of
> our deep regard for her and the Society, we would
> like to see her live as long as possible as a wise
> counsel and guide to whoever gets elected as the
> next President of the Theosophical Society. We
> have learned that our Vice-President has been
> asked if he will accept nominations, and have
> confirmation from him that although he is not
> eager to run for President, he will do what seems
> to be in the best interest of the Society when the
> time comes, and he will accept nominations. We
> have also received confirmation from him that he
> feels Adyar has to remain the international
> Headquarters of the TS, for both practical and
> symbolical reasons. We hope that others who are
> qualified and have the best interest of the
> Society at heart will make themselves available as
> nominees in a non-adversarial spirit, as having
> several candidates on the ballot will ensure a
> wider choice of experience and abilities, which
> can only benefit our Society. Fraternally
> yours, Ms Elvira Carbonell Theosophical
> Society, Adyar, India" The first paragraph of the
> letter shows that: a) Mrs Radha Burnier's health
> was an issue in this election, with Ms Carbonell
> using the word `uncertainty' in relation to it;
> b) Dr John Algeo, as Vice-President, was willing and
> able to accept nominations; c) Carbonell and
> several others at Adyar decided to write to the
> members of the General Council. Comment:
> Carbonell was working as assistant to the
> International Secretary, Mary Anderson, and
> therefore residing at Adyar. As some of her
> articles had appeared in `The Theosophist', her name
> was known around the world. The Secretary's Office
> contains the entire membership database of the TS
> (Adyar), including names and addresses of GC
> members. Miss Anderson issued the official
> nomination papers on 18 December 2007 to all GC
> members by airmail. Several GC members while at
> Adyar for the Convention received theirs hand
> delivered. A question that arises here is: what
> was the impact of Carbonell's letter, and the
> letters of the several others at Adyar mentioned by
> her, on those members of the GC living overseas?
> What role did it play in the number of nominations
> received by both candidates? The second paragraph
> attempts to pre-empt Mrs Burnier's candidacy by
> suggesting to General Council members that she
> should remain as a retired elder in the TS. The
> third paragraph includes a confirmation by John
> Algeo that he will accept nominations. As
> Carbonell's letter was read out by the President
> at the General Council meeting of the TS, held on 25
> December 2007 (the minutes of this meeting are
> included in the TS Annual Report for 2007), and as
> Dr Algeo's mention in Carbonell's letter was not
> questioned by him at that meeting, the logical
> conclusion is that Carbonell's assertions about him
> having decided to accept nominations are factual.
> As Elvira Carbonell and others at Adyar wrote the
> above communication to the members of the General
> Council of the TS, not only attempting to pre-empt
> Mrs Burnier's candidacy but definitely announcing
> that Dr Algeo had agreed to accept nominations,
> Mrs Burnier was entitled to write to the same GC
> members and present her views. It is also
> interesting to note that the National President of
> the TS in America, Mrs Betty Bland, who attended
> the GC meeting last December, while accusing Radha
> Burnier of electioneering
>
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/43531)
> she makes no mention at all of Carbonell's letter
> which was read out at the same General Council
> meeting mentioned above. Another interesting
> point is that Mrs Bland's message mentioned above
> includes only the text of her (Bland's) letter,
> while the same message which was received by email
> in other places, including New Zealand and
> Australia, included at the bottom the text of Radha
> Burnier's letter to the GC members, which was
> originally sent by airmail. Pedro Oliveira
>
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