Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00073)

To all readers


May I ask: What is "open-minded theosophy" to you my Anonymous friend?



1.
Are you saying that what H. P. Blavatsky wrote in the following article is wrong?
Or is it only partly wrong today, and if so in what sense?

THEOSOPHY OR JESUITISM?
http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/TheosophyOrJesuitism.htm




2.


H. P. Blavatsky said:
"The Society founded to remedy the glaring evils of Christianity, to shun 
bigotry and intolerance, cant and superstition and to cultivate real 
universal love extending even to the dumb brute".
(The Collected Writings of H. P. Blavatsky, vol. 7, p.246)

Master KH wrote in a Mahatma Letter:
For the opposition represents enormous vested interests, and they have 
enthusiastic help from the Dugpas -- in Bhootan and the Vatican!
(Here is all of Mahtama Letter, No. 55. Dugpas are the same as selfish 
Magicians.)



What make any of you think that the Black magicians in the Vatican have dissappeared since the time of H. P. Blavatsky?




3.
Please do not misunderstand me. I am not saying that all Catholics are black magicians.




M. Sufilight



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: kolad beth 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 8:15 PM
  Subject: RE: Theos-World Papal Intention Focuses on Values-Based Culture



  I can't believe this PARANOIA, and that's what it is. if you don't want John as president then don't vote for him. to bring up the entire catholic church (or christian religion, which is what you may be doing...not clear) is disheartening to say the least, and reactionary. It's not the open-minded Theosophy that I've come to know and value. sorry.
  ________________________________
  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
  > From: global-theosophy@stofanet.dk
  > Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 18:03:33 +0200
  > Subject: Re: Theos-World Papal Intention Focuses on Values-Based Culture
  > 
  > 
  > To John and all readers
  > 
  > My views are:
  > 
  > Dear John. I asked you a few simple questions, which you do not answer in your below email to me.
  > Instead it seems as if I got an email in defense of the Christian religion where you appearntly seem to call it sane.
  > 
  > I can as a theosophical Seeker only disagree upon such a view.
  > 
  > 1.
  > John wrote:
  > "To tell you truth I am not very interested in Catholic Conspiracy Theories. The world is very much transformed from previous centuries and the tenets of the past are not eternal. There is a wealth of present time information available through the Vatican, World Wide Catholic Organizations, Deochise, and many Fraternal Funtionairys. I keep in mind that the fabric of Nations in general looking at their many Constitutions no longer suffer the centuries ago abuses of the Formal Catholic Church in Europe, North America, Asia, and Australia. here in America there are around 60 millions of Catholics who present themselves with correct deportment, a good healthy sense of personal ethics and character traits as examples to society at large, it is difficult to object to this positive contribution."
  > 
  > And what are you basing this view on?
  > Where are the facts?
  > 
  > The fact is, that The Catholic Church is a religion using sorcery and black magic within the Vatican and among various of its priests. And most members of this insane religion are not acting sane themselves. They are corrupt and violate their own religions doctrines every day.
  > 
  > Its official teachings on Exorcism tell a part of the sad tale already. Try for instance to read the whole of the following link from their official website.
  > 
  > Exorcism
  > "(3) Other Exorcisms
  > 
  > According to Catholic belief demons or fallen angels retain their natural power, as intelligent beings, of acting on the material universe, and using material objects and directing material forces for their own wicked ends; and this power, which is in itself limited, and is subject, of course, to the control of Divine providence, is believed to have been allowed a wider scope for its activity in the consequence of the sin of mankind. Hence places and things as well as persons are naturally liable to diabolical infestation, within limits permitted by God, and exorcism in regard to them is nothing more that a prayer to God, in the name of His Church, to restrain this diabolical power supernaturally, and a profession of faith in His willingness to do so on behalf of His servants on earth.
  > 
  > The chief things formally exorcised in blessing are water, salt, oil, and these in turn are used in personal exorcisms, and in blessing or consecrating places (e.g. churches) and objects (e.g. altars, sacred vessels, church bells) connected with public worship, or intended for private devotion. Holy water, the sacramental with which the ordinary faithful are most familiar, is a mixture of exorcised water and exorcised salt; and in the prayer of blessing, God is besought to endow these material elements with a supernatural power of protecting those who use them with faith against all the attacks of the devil. This kind of indirect exorcism by means of exorcised objects is an extension of the original idea; but it introduces no new principle, and it has been used in the Church from the earliest ages. (See also EXORCIST.)"
  > http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05709a.htm
  > 
  > Is this sane ethics and teaching?
  > 
  > 2.
  > John wrote:
  > "here in America there are around 60 millions of Catholics who present themselves with correct deportment, a good healthy sense of personal ethics and character traits as examples to society at large, it is difficult to object to this positive contribution."
  > 
  > I disagee.
  > What are you basing your view on? A theosophical insight or clairvoyance?
  > 
  > 3.
  > Please do not underestimate the folling views:
  > 
  >>>>>>>><<<<<<<
  > H. P. Blavatsky said:
  > "The Society founded to remedy the glaring evils of Christianity, to shun
  > bigotry and intolerance, cant and superstition and to cultivate real
  > universal love extending even to the dumb brute".
  > (The Collected Writings of H. P. Blavatsky, vol. 7, p.246)
  > 
  > Master KH wrote in a Mahatma Letter:
  > For the opposition represents enormous vested interests, and they have
  > enthusiastic help from the Dugpas -- in Bhootan and the Vatican!
  > (Here is all of Mahtama Letter, No. 55. Dugpas are the same as selfish
  > Magicians.)
  >>>>>>>><<<<<<<
  > 
  > What make any of you think that the Black magicians in the Vatican have dissappeared since the time of H. P. Blavatsky?
  > 
  > - - - - - -
  > 
  > Sure. Silence speaks.
  > And that will be my conclusion when you are not prepared to answer to these questions.
  > 
  > M. Sufilight
  > 
  > ----- Original Message -----
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