Theos-Talk Archives (March 2008 Message tt00211)

Perhaps you are right Raquel.  So it is between India and China.  The Chinese must fear that India may take up occupational rights.  Highly unlikely, not to mention the Himalayas.
  Cass

Raquel Rodríguez <raquel_rpj@yahoo.es> wrote:
          Cass
China migth have the same interest in Tivet as English with Gibraltar, or Spanish with Ceuta and Melilla. It is a geograficly estrategic point.

Best Regards

Raquel

Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com> escribió:
It won't happen Chuck, too much money invested. They could ban China and reschedule the games back to Greece, but that won't happen.
Not taking any sides but I heard on the news that inflation is now running at 9 percent in Tibet and the people are struggling economically, on the good side, their health and education has been improved since chinese occupation, life mortality is up apparently, but I suppose its no good living longer if you dont have the money to feed yourself.

Cass

Drpsionic@aol.com wrote:

China believes that Tibet is a part of China.? 

China is an interesting country in that it actually does not have a history expansionism after the Mongols, but it does claim an interest in certain contiguous territories.

Now, conventional protests don't work on the Chinese.? They have skins almost as thick as American conservatives and they just don't give a damn.? But they are sensitive to certain things and while the IOC is not going to cancel its games, the IOC can be made to pay for having them in China, or rather its sponsors can.? Now this is really out of my field of knowledge, but if a major boycott of Olympic sponsors could be organized...

Chuck the Heretic

http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano 

-----Original Message-----
From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 6:06 pm
Subject: Re: Theos-World Are China facing the Law of Karma?

I am curious to know why China would be interested in Tibet. It's not as though the country would ever be a threat to China, it's not as though they have minerals or oil, perhaps the only threat is that the Chinese fear that Tibetinism will spread to the Mainland, who knows? If Karma is involved Morten, I suspect that Tibet is also dealing with its national karma as well as China.

Cass

Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:

To all readers

To all readers

My views are:

Now, what is going on?

Are China facing the Law of Karma?

Tibet gripped by violent clashes

a.. Jonathan Watts in Beijing 

b.. guardian.co.uk, 

c.. Friday March 14 2008

d.. Article history

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This article was first published on guardian.co.uk on Friday March 14 2008. It was last updated at 14:56 on March 14 2008.

Tibetans throw stones at Chinese army vehicles in Lhasa as violent protests against Chinese rule break out. Photograph: AFP/Getty Images

The Tibetan capital of Lhasa was on the brink of chaos today as the fiercest anti-government protests in almost 20 years erupted into violence between Chinese security forces and protesters wielding iron bars.

A radio station reported at least two people had been killed in the rioting. The US-funded Radio Free Asia quoted two witnesses as saying two bodies were seen lying on the ground in the Barkor area, a shopping district where protests had been particularly fierce.

Armed police used water cannons and teargas on the crowds, and witnesses say security vehicles were set on fire and Chinese drivers were carried off with bloodied faces after being beaten by a mob of young Tibetans.

The US embassy in Beijing said its citizens in Lhasa had reported gunshots being fired in the city. The embassy emailed an advisory note to Americans warning them to stay away from the city, now in its fifth day of anti-Chinese protests.

The Dalai Lama, the spiritual leader of Tibet's Buddhists, urged China not to use violence to quell the protests, which he called "a manifestation of the deep-rooted resentment of the Tibetan people under the present governance".

"I therefore appeal to the Chinese leadership to stop using force and address the long-simmering resentment of the Tibetan people through dialogue with the Tibetan people," he said in a statement.

The EU and the White House also issued statements urging China to show restraint.

Coming just months before the start of the 2008 Olympics, the protests against Beijing rule threaten to overshadow preparations for the games.

A resident told the Guardian that he heard an explosion and around 10 shots every minute at one point, but thought it was teargas rather than bullets being fired because he saw people running from plumes of smoke and covering their mouths.

"I am too afraid to go out," the source, who asked to remain anonymous, said. "It is chaos out there."

The source, who is from the Chinese Han ethnic group, said he saw Tibetans attack two fire engines.

"I saw Tibetans throwing stones at the vehicles. They dragged drivers from vehicles, took off their uniforms and helmets, then beat them.

"The chanting mob beat up around five or six drivers who had to be carried away with blood on their faces ... then they put a motorbike under the fire engine and set fire to it so the engine was burned."

The report was difficult to confirm. The Chinese government has yet to make a statement, and communications with the tightly-controlled Himalayan region are difficult even during calm periods.

A blogger who writes from Lhasa under the name Beifang described the violence on his blog.

"Police cars and fire engines were outside smashed and burned. A lot of Tibetans ran towards Dazhao [Jokhang] temple. I heard gunshots. Five army police vehicles drove that way. A large number of armed police followed. A few people with blood on their faces were taken away."

Tibetan support groups overseas said they were hearing reports of a fire and protests near the Tromsikhang market near the Jokhang temple in central Lhasa.

According to the Free Tibet campaign, there were also protests today in the Labrang monastery in Gansu province, where 200 monks led demonstrations on the streets. The group said this showed the protests were gathering momentum.

The AFP news agency said one of its reporters saw monks leading a crowd of around 300 people near the monastery, one of the most important in Tibetan Buddhism.

Since the first protest by monks on Monday, thousands of armed police have locked down monasteries in and around Lhasa. Witnesses said today's protesters were mostly lay Tibetans.

China's Xinhua news agency reported that shops had been set on fire in Lhasa but gave no other details. 

The International Campaign for Tibet said two monks at the Sera monastery had stabbed themselves and others had gone on hunger strike.

About a dozen monks were reportedly detained on Monday, when several hundred from the Sera and Drepung monasteries took to the streets to mark the 49th anniversary of a failed uprising against Beijing. Similar protests took place in the Ganden and Lutsang monasteries in Qinghai (known in Tibetan as Amdo) where hundreds of monks reportedly chanted slogans calling for their exiled leader, the Dalai Lama, to return.

The upsurge in activism comes amid growing frustration with the lack of progress in talks between representatives of the Dalai Lama and Beijing.

M. Sufilight

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