Theos-Talk Archives (March 2008 Message tt00146)

Yow Brian, long piece of typing :-)
What Martial Arts you do? Bagua?
Got a few friends in the States who practice Bagua and
other martial arts.
In this Kali Yuga it is the only way to survive, to be
cunning at some form of selfdefence especially when
the mind is not clear enough ( I speak from my own
experience ). Later then you learn how to camouflage,
hide from other people without being missed.
Kali Yuga also has the positive influence, when you
found some truth you can make really fast progress...
Nice you found your way around a bit in Theosophy,
although besides some 'ego's' among its followers, it
is a good starting point in shining some light on your
Path.
All the best :-)
Martin


--- B <byondthis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Greetings!
> 
> As per forum rules, I'm starting with a post
> introducing myself. I 
> consider myself an "Intuitive Theosophist".
> 
> I believe, that theosophical (IE Esoteric Doctrine)
> understanding, 
> can only truly develop from the process/root of 
> transformation/experiance, that leads one beyond the
> lower ego method 
> of normal understanding/perception/experiance.
> 
> This process of transformation, is what makes the
> Theosophy of HPB 
> and the Masters "Heart Doctrine"/Esoteric, which is
> vastly differant 
> to "Eye Doctrine"/Exoteric understanding (which is
> what NeoTheosophy 
> is, in my perception), which is understanding simply
> via the Lower 
> Ego and Animal nature. This process of
> transformation is the core 
> purpose of the Esoteric Doctrine, while at the same
> time, this 
> transformation is the key to understanding the "Book
> Knowledge" 
> aspect of the system. Which, the "book knowledge",
> without the 
> transformation/Gnosis, is "dead letter'. Its the
> transformation, and 
> change in perception, that breaths life into the
> "book knowledge' 
> polishing it into the multi faceted diamond it is.
> 
> This "process" has several aspects to it which
> include the early 
> stages of uplifting ones consciousness from the
> lower nature and 
> mindstream , to the upper levels of training , which
> I call Spiritual 
> Resurection/Alchemy/Marriage of the Bride Groom -
> These core ideas 
> can be expressed in the word/system -  "Gnosis". The
> method 
> of "obtaining knowledge" via realtime experiance,
> via the tools 
> passed down by the Masters,is the path to understand
> the teachings 
> beyond a logic or emotional level. In my experiance,
> if one hasnt 
> removed the concsiouness from the Physical,Vital,
> and Astral layers, 
> that means even the most basic Roots, havent been
> developed, and true 
> experiencial knowledge, can never be obtained.
> Anything else is Ego 
> Illusion.
> 
> I started on my path at the age of 6, and have
> studied some form of 
> the Esoteric Doctrine for the last 27 years. I had
> the displeasure as 
> a young man to have had to attend Roman Catholic
> school in Detroit, 
> MI. By age 6 I began to understand, what I was being
> taught was a 
> lie. I was treated brutaly by the students and
> teachers for being 
> differant and not believing, what they believed. At
> age 14 I was the 
> first person, in the history of the school that
> refused to take the 
> entrance exam into the Roman Catholic High School,
> after which I took 
> my destiny in my own hands and began my true
> education.
> 
> From age 6-28 I studied a wide range of Exoteric
> Religions, and 
> Esoteric Systems. My first esoteric studies actualy
> revolved around 
> the Yamabushi sect. I was also fortunate that in my
> house, were books 
> owned by relatives, that delt with various esoteric
> studies, though 
> they only gave the information the most basic of
> considerations, I 
> later found out.(In the 3rd Grade I read at a
> college freshman level)
> 
> After many years of study and practise I came to
> intuitivly believe 
> that there was one core system, that all ancient man
> practised. I was 
> also a firm believer in things like the law of
> corrispondence, as 
> well as cyclic time, though had never come into
> contact with any 
> Theosophical work, nor other modern systems like
> Masonry, OGD or 
> Crowely. I believed that a system of Medicine,
> Astronomy, Astrology, 
> Geometry, Alchemy , ect, had been the root of all
> exoteric religions, 
> though horribly disfigured.
> 
> Rufly 6 years ago I discovered a very important key
> to furthering my 
> understanding. That key was HPB. I soon came to
> understand, that I 
> wasnt alone in my beliefs, and that a modern
> system(Theosophy), had 
> detailed all the common denominators, from all the
> various cultural 
> manefestations of the Secret Doctrine. Thus my path
> was solidified, 
> with that validation and I have studied HPBs work
> ever since.
> 
> I am very particular about what information I work
> with. HPB/Masters 
> Theosophy to me is a distilation of the core ideas
> expressed within 
> the Esoteric Doctrine, looked at from all its
> cultural aspects, so 
> the whole/essence may be intuitivly understood (this
> entire statement 
> should also be applied to use of the "mystery
> language", which to me 
> is one of the least understood aspects of
> Theosophy).
> 
> As to "current events" - having studied many
> differant versions of 
> the esoteric system,for most of my life, I have come
> to percieve that 
> most writers after HPB, have very little to do with
> true 
> Theosophy/esoteric doctrine, and more to do with
> Exoteric Religion.  
> Just to be upfront, as im sure there are people,
> with a wide range of 
> beliefs on this forum,  I percieve Neotheosophy,
> Alice Bailey
> (osophy), and other New Age christinized teachings
> of the (False)
> masters, as nothing more than the degredation of the
> true system,from 
> Esoteric, into an exoteric shell, as has occured
> multiple times, in 
> the history of the Aryans family (Which HPB warned
> us about). 
> 
> Were also in the Kali Yuga, which makes things even
> more difficult, 
> for our learning, as false teachings are the norm.
> Also some of the 
> degraded systems, may not be simply "dead letter',
> but in fact may be 
> the teachings of the dugpa/left hand path, and
> obviously if thats 
> what someone wants to learn and practise, that is
> their right to 
> choose that path, but that doesnt mean the teachings
> should be 
> accepted into the Theosophical system/Right hand
> path. Its important 
> to make a distinction between dead letter and the
> left hand path as 
> well. As Dead letter is the path that leads no
> where, but the Right 
> and Left hand paths do lead "somewhere".
> 
> The truth is, people/Ego always want more, than what
> they have. But 
> thats why, when one removes the lower ego influence,
> we come to 
> understand that even the most basic theosophical
> teachings, are a 
> lifetime study that relates to every aspect of the
> human experiance 
> (or lack of experiance as the case may be). And that
> we dont 
> need "more"/quantity, we need better understanding
> and quality of 
> what we have. The esoteric study which must be
> internalized past 
> emotional or logical understanding. It is said that
> " he who finds 
> the true teachings, is like a lonesome boat in a
> vast ocean"
> 
> Im not against more teachings being released(And
> some have between 
> 1975-2000 in my perception), as well its not my
> choise to make. But 
> my point, is most havnt even begun to truly
> understand (Ie they 
> lack "true" understanding, which is beyond logic or
> emotionaly 
> 
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