Theos-Talk Archives (March 2008 Message tt00120)

Thanks, Cass, I just love animals so much. We have three pets, they all adopted us, we live in a condo complex and I guess their owners dropped them off here for some reason. Anyway, one day a couple of years ago I saw a big cat out in our courtyard so I made food for it thinking we were going to have a new arrival. He was a big, black male cat. He was the biggest cat I ever saw, about three or four years old, as big as a small dog. I made friends with him and tried to get him to come inside and eat but he wanted to stay outside so I would go outside and sit with him while he ate. He would be at the front door every morning. This want on for a couple of weeks. I took him to our vet and got him checked out and neutered, in anticipation of bringing him inside for good because there are some neighbors who hate cats and put out traps for them, which I checked every night. One day I realized I hadn't seen him for a couple of days. I waited another day, worried all night. The next day I went to the animal shelter to see if he were there. I saw rows and rows of cages of little cats and they all looked at me and meowed at me with their big beautiful eyes. They had a couple of days and if they didn't get adopted they'd be put to sleep. He wasn't there. I got back to the parking lot and just stood by my car and cried like a baby. I just cried for them and the fact that I couldn't help them all, I couldn't help it, and to this day I won't drive on that street. The next morning he was standing outside the door waiting to be fed just like nothing had happened. I fed him just like nothing had happened. He came back for a couple of days. Then he wasn't there anymore. I don't know what happened to him or where he had been staying. I didn't go to the shelter. I really loved him right from the start, in a way I can't explain. My eyes are welling up right now. I named him 'Ebo' and I don't know why, the name just came to me right after the first time he let me pet him. I'm sorry I just couldn't go back to that shelter, although we drove all over the neighborhood for weeks after looking for him. We live near a university and it was near the end of semester and maybe his student owner took him back home with them. I love you, Ebo.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Cass Silva 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:06 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Animals


  If I have read HPB right Scribe, I would say that they are just waiting for the human form in order to commence evolving self-conscious awareness. So this suggests that they are individualised and although endowed with consciousness await self consciousness which can only evolve through the human form.

  I too struggled with my pets as group souls as they were closer to the human kingdom than the animal kingdom. My daughter's labrador, much to my disdain, would sleep in the bed with her as a child, under the blankets with her head on the pillow!!!!

  Cass

  Scribe <scribe@rs.org> wrote:
  Dear Nigel,

  I have been troubled by this, too. Apparently it was, as you noted, written by AB that animals had a "group soul" and my idea of what was said was that when an animal--I'm thinking about my pets--when they die their soul will sort of "dissolve" back into the animal soul pool, sort of like the "shape-shifter" in Babylon 5 or whichever. This bothered me and I was saddened by it. Then later I read a contraction (I guess by AB again) saying that statement had caused controversy and it was wrong. Also, I recall it being intimated that actually being close to an animal--pet--is doing it no favors because it's difficult for it to handle the increase in vibrations/evolution being in such contact and rapport with humans, in fact after they die they go into some kind of limbo until the next Mantavara when they can progress. In other words, that it was better not to get too close or emotionally attached because it wasn't good for them, or it would be hard or difficult for them,
  because of the increased something or other.

  But, reading the links you provided in your post, I don't see how they address that issue, in fact the second one seems to agree with the concept of animal group souls.

  I guess the question is: Are the animal souls individual--I guess I'm talking about domesticated pets--and can we meet again some day (because there's so much love there)?

  Scribe

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: nhcareyta 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:37 PM
  Subject: Theos-World Buddhi Re: The Coming Teacher?

  --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
  >
  > I am not sure who it was, but someone spoke about group souls for 
  animals, the reason being, that 'self conscious awareness' is not 
  evolved until we are in the human form. I read also that their are 
  two evolutions happening at the same time, the human and the angelic, 
  and that the angelic evolve from the bird kingdom. Maybe someone can 
  clarify what HPB's thoughts on this are.
  > Cass

  Dear Cass

  Group soul was a term used by Bishop C W 
  Leadbeater and Dr Annie Besant in their literature.

  Bishop Leadbeater wrote about it variously in 
  "A Textbook of Theosophy", "Man, Visible and 
  Invisible" and "The Inner Life", amongst other 
  of his writings. 

  Dr Besant wrote about it in "A Study in 
  Consciousness" and "Ancient Wisdom", also amongst 
  other of her writings. 

  This is another concept they espoused that 
  manifestly contradicts that of Madame Blavatsky 
  and her teachers.

  http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/thomas/thomasgroupsouls.htm

  It was Bishop Leadbeater, Dr Besant and their 
  followers too who wrote about two streams of 
  evolution. Once again, this is their invention 
  and is in opposition to the Theosophical teachings 
  of Madame Blavatsky and her teachers.

  http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/thomas/thomasevolution.htm

  Regards
  Nigel

  > 
  > Richard Semock <semockr@...> wrote:
  > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "christinaleestemaker" 
  > <christinaleestemaker@> wrote:
  > >
  > > kUNDALINI IS THE COMBINATION OF THE POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE ENERGY 
  IN 
  > > THE SUSHUMNA,CAUSED BY IDA AND PINGALA.
  > > 
  > > That people make of everything they do'nt understand God or 
  Godesses 
  > > is realy absurd.
  > > Christina
  > 
  > Other teachers like Mx Heindel for instance speak of group spirits 
  such 
  > that lions as a group are guided by a group spirit. Birds of 
  various 
  > types are guided by their own group spirit and this is the basis of 
  > instinct that mysteriously guides them in their mass migrations and 
  > perfectly synchopated flight. 
  > 
  > I dont find it absurd to believe that we are guided or propelled by 
  a 
  > group spirit (or spirits..as in 7 rays) of our own whose method of 
  > interaction with us lies in finer energys such as kundalini. 
  > 
  > This extends to the next level of control which is seen in the 
  zodiac 
  > which is the womb of the solar system and there are no doubt layers 
  > upon layers on top of those. A rather cozy arrangement dont you 
  think?
  > 
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