Theos-Talk Archives (February 2008 Message tt00344)

Dear Cass  

Thank you once again for your response.

You write, "?teachers may come in all shapes 
and forms and may not even know that they are 
teachers."

This is such an important point you make and 
so true in so many ways. 

Another example involves the song The Wind 
Beneath My Wings written by Larry Henley and 
Jeff Silbar, sung by Bette Midler in the movie 
Beaches.

Whether or not these gentlemen were aware in this 
instance that they were esoteric teachers, 
nonetheless with our understanding and terminology 
they wrote a beautiful acknowledgement from our 
lower ego to our soul.

THE WIND BENEATH MY WINGS  
It must have been cold there in my shadow, 
to never have sunlight on your face. 
You were content to let me shine, that's your way, 
you always walked a step behind. 
So I was the one with all the glory, 
while you were the one with all the strength. 
A beautiful face without a name -- for so long, 
a beautiful smile to hide the pain. 

CHORUS: 
Did you ever know that you're my hero, 
and ev'rything I would like to be? 
I can fly higher than an eagle, 
'cause you are the wind beneath my wings. 
It might have appeared to go unnoticed, 
but I've got it all here in my heart. 
I want you to know I know the truth, of course I know it, 
I would be nothing without you. 

(CHORUS) 
Fly, fly, fly away, 
you let me fly so high. 
Oh, fly, fly, 
so high against the sky, so high I almost touch the sky. 
Thank you, thank you, thank God for you, 
the wind beneath my wings.

As you allude, examples of teachers and teachings 
abound for us everywhere, always, often "right under 
our noses."

Kind regards
Nigel 



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
>
> You know what Nigel, teachers may come in all shapes and forms and 
may not even know that they are teachers.  Gates invention has to be 
one of the most significant in the 21st century.  Was it only 40 
years ago we were still using telegrams and posting letters.
>    
>   Cheers
>   Cass
> 
> nhcareyta <nhcareyta@...> wrote:
>           Dear Cass and all
> 
> Cass, thank you for your response and yes it was 
> in effect, although I'm sure you know I am not 
> suggesting Bill Gates to be a master or the new 
> Madame Blavatsky!!!
> 
> From Wikipedia comes the following:
> 
> "1975?1985: Founding:
> 
> Following the launch of the Altair 8800, Bill Gates 
> called the creators of the new microcomputer, Micro 
> Instrumentation and Telemetry Systems (MITS), 
> offering to demonstrate an implementation of the 
> BASIC programming language for the system. After 
> the demonstration, MITS agreed to distribute Altair 
> BASIC. 
> Gates left Harvard University, moved to Albuquerque, 
> New Mexico where MITS was located, and founded 
> Microsoft there.
> The MITS Altair 8800 was a microcomputer design from 
> 1975, based on the Intel 8080 CPU and sold as a 
> mail-order kit through advertisements in Popular 
> Electronics, Radio-Electronics and other hobbyist 
> magazines. The designers intended to sell only a few 
> hundred to hobbyists, and were surprised when they 
> sold thousands in the first month. Today the Altair 
> is widely recognized as the spark that led to the 
> personal computer revolution of the next few years."
> 
> It seems the masters work on different levels or states 
> and with different vehicles or forms of consciousness 
> as evidenced in their correspondence with Mr Sinnett 
> and Mr Hume.
> 
> The 1970's saw the beginnings of personal computers 
> leading to individual access to the internet; the 
> release of the Tibetan Kangyur and Tangyur teachings 
> on which the Secret Doctrine and Voice of the Silence 
> are based; and the Dalai Lama first visited the West 
> in Europe. 
> 
> A few months earlier we walked on the moon, 
> thereby massively expanding humanity's consciousness 
> as to our innate potential.
> 
> Each of these are examples to me of potential Mahatmic 
> involvement at some level or other.
> 
> We often don't need look too far for inspiration and 
> expansion of awareness. 
> 
> And perhaps waiting for the next Messiah or teacher 
> is missing the opportunities and awakenings of the 
> present moment, where all is.
> 
> Kind regards
> Nigel
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@> wrote:
> >
> > IMO you're right Nigel concerning the information age, which I 
> wasn't thinking of at the time. Wasn't it in 1975 that Bill Gates 
> registered Microsoft. 
> > Cass
> > 
> > nhcareyta <nhcareyta@> wrote:
> > Dear Cass
> > 
> > Points well made.
> > 
> > In addition have we thought much about the dawning 
> > of the "information age" with computers and the 
> > internet. 
> > 
> > Was this part of their "effort?"
> > 
> > On the jnana path, information leads to knowledge; 
> > and knowledge to awakening.
> > 
> > And what would be the need for a messiah figure with 
> > all this information extant, other than to relieve the 
> > burdensome task of thinking and doing the work for 
> > ourselves?
> > 
> > Kind regards
> > Nigel 
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Perhaps the problem is that Theosophists are looking for a new 
> > Blavatsky. As she said, lesser messengers will come with their 
> > contribution to spritual wakefullness. I think we can see this in 
> > the West with the acceptance of eastern methodolgies, e.g. yoga, 
> > reiki, tai-chi,healers, all practices contribute to an overall 
> > awareness that we are not just the body!
> > > 
> > > Cass
> > > 
> > > Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@> wrote:
> > > To all readers
> > > 
> > > My views are:
> > > 
> > > There is - one more - quote from HPB about what will happen in 
> the 
> > years after 1975.
> > > I think with an organisation awaiting his arrival as HPB puts 
it 
> in 
> > the below, - one will have to stop believeing it to be the fact, 
> that 
> > the number of persons involved in this are more than a few 
science 
> > intellectuals:
> > > 
> > > "...that during the last quarter of every hundred years an 
> attempt 
> > is made by those "Masters," of whom I have spoken, to help on the 
> > spiritual progress of Humanity in a marked and definite way. 
> Towards 
> > the close of each century you will invariably find that an 
> outpouring 
> > or upheaval of spirituality -- or call it mysticism if you 
prefer --
> 
> > has taken place. Some one or more persons have appeared in the 
> world 
> > as their agents, and a greater or less amount of occult knowledge 
> and 
> > teaching has been given out. If you care to do so, you can trace 
> > these movements back, century by century, as far as our detailed 
> > historical records extend...If the present attempt, in the form 
of 
> > our Society, succeeds better than its predecessors have done, 
then 
> it 
> > will be in existence as an organized, living and healthy body 
when 
> > the time 307 comes for the effort of the XXth century. The 
general 
> > condition of men's minds and hearts will have been improved and 
> > purified by the spread of its teachings,
> > > and, as I have said, their prejudices and dogmatic illusions 
will 
> > have been, to some extent at least, removed. Not only so, but 
> besides 
> > a large and accessible literature ready to men's hands, the next 
> > impulse will find a numerous and united body of people ready to 
> > welcome the new torch-bearer of Truth. He will find the minds of 
> men 
> > prepared for his message, a language ready for him in which to 
> clothe 
> > the new truths he brings, an organization awaiting his arrival, 
> which 
> > will remove the merely mechanical, material obstacles and 
> > difficulties from his path. Think how much one, to whom such an 
> > opportunity is given, could accomplish. Measure it by comparison 
> with 
> > what the Theosophical Society actually has achieved in the last 
> > fourteen years, without any of these advantages and surrounded by 
> > hosts of hindrances which would not hamper the new leader. 
Consider 
> > all this, and then tell me whether I am too sanguine when I say 
> that 
> > if the Theosophical Society survives and lives true to
> > > its mission, to its original impulses through the next hundred 
> > years? Tell me, I say, if I go too far in asserting that earth 
will 
> > be a heaven in the twenty-first century in comparison with what 
it 
> is 
> > now! 
> > > (H. P. Blavatsky's book "Key to Theosophy", s. 306-7. English 
> > edition, Italics added.)
> > > 
> > > So HPB said in the above: "Think how much one, to whom such an 
> > opportunity is given, could accomplish. Measure it by comparison 
> with 
> > what the Theosophical Society actually has achieved in the last 
> > fourteen years, without any of these advantages and surrounded by 
> > hosts of hindrances which would not hamper the new leader."
> > > 
> > > So I guess I will just have to disagree with you about the 
> > importance of the numbers who receives the message Frank. I think 
> it 
> > is not just me, who talk about it. As we can see HPB also did it. 
A 
> > high initiate will exactly be able to deliver a message about 
truth 
> > and theosophy, and will be able to reach thousands and tens of 
> > thousands with the proper message.
> > > 
> > > But of course if you are right a spiritual outpouring coming 
from 
> > the Masters will only affect a very few persons.
> > > Some how I find my self disagreeing with this view.
> > > 
> > > Frank wrote:
> > > "You stick to much in forms rather than ideas."
> > > 
> > > I am afraid you misunderstand, what I am talking about.
> > > I am exactly sticking to "ideas" or rather what we 
> call "spiritual 
> > impact".
> > > The level of "spiritual impact" are always related to the 
number 
> of 
> > persons affected by the impact.
> > > 
> > > M. Sufilight
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: Frank Reitemeyer 
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 10:28 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World - Fools rush in
> > > 
> > > Morten,
> > > I will not disturb your comfort and your conviction that you 
are 
> > right, but 
> > > to answer your additional question:
> > > We do not talk about for how many persons the ultimate proofs 
> were 
> > given.
> > > It's just you. To me it's not important. HPB did not write 
about 
> > quantities.
> > > Important is that this proofs were given.
> > > I believe this predicted proofs are connected with the 
> > guruparampara, which 
> > > was launched by HPB.
> > > You may consider the first aim of the TS: To form a nucleus, 
not 
> to 
> > form a 
> > > crowd as much as possible.
> > > 
> > > As to the intellectual and spiritual level: This group of 
persons 
> > obviously 
> > > cannot be very big, because most people were not fit.
> > > Not even in the broad Theosophical Movement many theosophists 
> were 
> > (and so 
> > > until today) ready.
> > > There are lineages within the TM which would even reject that 
> there 
> > were 
> > > other messengers than HPB.
> > > Most people - including theosophical circles - do not even 
> > understand the 
> > > newspaper.
> > > 
> > > So what would they gain when they would hear of a knowledge far 
> > advanced 
> > > from their own point of view?
> > > So, logically, it could only be few. Even HPB's last book of 
the 
> > Golden 
> > > rules is dedicated to the few.
> > > What then about teachings which go beyond that book?
> > > What does it matter, to how many people the proofs were given?
> > > I think you simply did not understand my opinion about the 
> Masters 
> > plan.
> > > 
> > > You stick to much in forms rather than ideas.
> > > 
> > > Although only few theosophists may be ready, there may be 
> probably 
> > some out 
> > > there who think about 2075.
> > > Best
> > > Frank
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: Morten Nymann Olesen
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:56 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World - Fools rush in
> > > 
> > > I understand, that I was to be given such an answer to my 
> questions.
> > > I will rest in comfort, that my views are most likely true.
> > > 
> > > You could consider the following questions and then consider 
why 
> I 
> > answered 
> > > like I did:
> > > If one is to give others irrefutable proof of Gupta Vidya, who 
> > would they 
> > > be?
> > > How many persons are we at least talking about? And what kind 
of 
> > proof would 
> > > be required so we could call it irrefutable?
> > > 
> > > M. Sufilight
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: Frank Reitemeyer
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:26 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World - Fools rush in
> > > 
> > > 1.
> > > Frank wrote:
> > > "So, from the logic point of view, HPB was refering to her 
occult 
> > successor
> > > in the Tibeto-Dzyan-transmission line."
> > > 
> > > That is not logic. That was not what H. P. Blavatsky said.
> > > H. P. Blavatsky said: "In Century the Twentieth some disciple 
> more 
> > informed,
> > > and far better fitted, may be sent by the Masters of Wisdom to 
> give 
> > final
> > > and irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called Gupta-
> > Vidya"
> > > 
> > > That is "irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called 
> > Gupta-Vidya".
> > > This proof would be given by a disciple more informed and far 
> > better fitted,
> > > than who? Logically a person more informed and better fitted 
Than 
> > H. P.
> > > Blavatsky herself. And that is why such a person much likely 
> would 
> > be known
> > > to the public, and not a person whom only a very few would 
learn 
> > about!
> > > This is a more likely view than the one you prefer to emphasise.
> > > What "irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called 
Gupta-
> > Vidya" are
> > > better than to show people it all through action and to be an 
> > example to
> > > tohers?
> > > 
> > > -------------------------------
> > > 
> > > Morten,
> > > yes, the disciple would be more informed and better fitted than 
> > Blavatsky,
> > > therefore she could have been meant the 1975 messenger, but 
> rather 
> > a chela
> > > in the gurparampara.
> > > As you can see, you have missed be point, for I was refering to 
> > that logic
> > > before, the logic which you reject and at the same time you 
admit 
> > it.
> > > 
> > > But HPB never said, that and how much this disciple which would 
> be 
> > send to
> > > the West, would be known to the public. That is but your - 
> unbased -
> > > interpretation, not HPB's meaning.
> > > 
> > > She also says nothing about the quantity of people who could 
> learn 
> > from it.
> > > That is your - unbased - interpretation, too.
> > > 
> > > And I am sorry to say, that HPB does not say anything about the 
> > time frame
> > > she had in mind. It can be relatively few people from the time 
of 
> > getting
> > > started, but in the course of time - and Masters think in 
> > centuries, a
> > > mantra GdeP always used - after decades or centuries the 
quantity 
> > could grow
> > > much from such a nucleus. So, it's but your interpretation, too.
> > > 
> > > HPB writes only that this proofs will be given, she gives no 
time 
> > line for
> > > publication. She hints rather to a time capsule.
> > > 
> > > -------------------------------
> > > 
> > > 2.
> > > Frank wrote:
> > > "Sai Baba may be a fine teacher for some people, but he is 
> > certainly not
> > > trained in the Dzyan school and therefore no messenger of the 
> Dzyan 
> > and
> > > Masters and Wisdom and Peace."
> > > 
> > > You claim a lot here. Do you know who Sathya Sai Baba is?
> > > What are you basing your views in the above on?
> > > Why should your view be given any validity at all?
> > > -------------------------------
> > > 
> > > I claim nothing. I just share my opinion with you.
> > > My view has only the validity someone gives.
> > > You are free to believe what you want.
> > > I do the same.
> > > 
> > > Best
> > > Frank
> > > 
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