Theos-Talk Archives (February 2008 Message tt00330)

Thanks for the link.

several years ago, a theosophist went to india to visit Sai Baba. On his
return, he was on a taxicab from Airport to home and when talking to the cab
driver (who happended to be a afro-american) he told him that he is back
from India and went to witness some of the miracles similar to that of Jesus
and when he showed a picture of Sai Baba with his afro hairstyle, the cab
driver exclaimed, Jesus has come back as a black man!

mkr

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On 2/23/08, Noel vasco <nenqueteba2000@yahoo.com.ar> wrote:
>
>   Oh, sorry. Here it goes in pdf. I have not been able to attach it. This
> is the link.
> http://www.blavatskyfoundation.org/saibabaabr.pdf
>
> ----- Mensaje original ----
> De: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>>
> Para: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Enviado: sábado 23 de febrero de 2008, 21:50:23
> Asunto: Re: Theos-World Say baba
>
> can you re-post what walter wrote about S Baba.
>
> mkr
>
> On 2/23/08, Noel vasco <nenqueteba2000@ yahoo.com. ar> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, all.
> >
> > This is what Walter A. Carrithers wrote about S. Baba
> >
> > See you
> >
> > ----- Mensaje original ----
> > De: Frank Reitemeyer <dzyan@online. de <dzyan%40online. de>>
> > Para: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > Enviado: sábado 23 de febrero de 2008, 20:27:39
> > Asunto: Re: Theos-World - Fools rush in
> >
> > Morten,
> > I think we can only agree that we not agree.
> > I wonder whether my English is too bad or yours.
> > Perhaps you are not much experienced in getting the content of a text?
> >
> > You now quote HPB about the POSSIBLY situation of the TS in the last
> > quarter
> > of the 20th century.
> > So what?
> > Everyone, who has studied a little bit the history of the Theosophical
> > Movement, knows that the development in the 20th century was quite
> > different
> > from that picture HPB here gives.
> > The reason is that the future is not determinated, there are always at
> > least
> > two ways.
> > The majority of theosophists decided by "free will" (so to speak), not
> to
> > support the Masters.
> >
> > The result was the withdrawal back of Masters work from the public (only
> > some Mahatma articles here and there in The Theosophical Forum during
> the
> > 1920'ies and 1930'ies), the withdrawal of the Headquarters, the
> withdrawal
> >
> > of the higher degrees, the withdrawal of the messengers - end of 1942
> five
> >
> > messengers of the White Lodge were withdrawn by return because of the
> > development in the outer world. Fake messengers appear and try the lay
> > chelas. They fail, and the withdrawal continues.
> >
> > Purucker appealed to his pupils that they take care that the link must
> be
> > unbroken, and if it is ever broken, they must all to recover the link.
> > Do you think the theosophist from 1945 onwards until today have stood
> the
> > test?
> > Have you personally stood the test?
> > I fear, most of the theosophists are too proud to think about failure
> and
> > Masters plan.
> > Most do not even understand, what a messenger is and how the Masters
> work
> > in
> > the outer world, otherwise would be not so much poppycock and cant
> around
> > about Masters and Mahatmas as a replacement church-Christ.
> >
> > You intermix several things in the varoius quotes of HPB.
> > The 1975 messenger is not the messenger, which had to bring irrefutable
> > proof of the gupta vidya.
> >
> > You would not intermix different things if you would get the idea of
> > Masters
> > work in the West.
> > That you claim not to stick on forms, alters not the fact that you seem
> > not
> > to understand this work, even when one tries to explain it to you.
> >
> > >But of course if you are right a spiritual outpouring coming from the
> > >Masters will only affect a very few persons.
> >
> > The problem of the great ones is, to find enough co-workers, which are
> > ready
> > by heart, that means who can think for themselves and whose word and
> deed
> > is
> > the same thing.
> > Theosophy is for the masses, quite clear.
> >
> > But in the beginning of the discussion we were talking about the 20th
> > century messenger, who brought the proofs of the gupta-vidya.
> > It's not the masses, who are able to bring this proofs, because they
> have
> > no
> > knowledge, no training and no experience.
> >
> > Did you know that one TS (and another non-theosophical organization in
> > Germany) had a working group, which traveled around the world to old
> > places?
> >
> > Spirituality has also nothing to do with numbers. A strange idea. Does
> Sai
> >
> > Baba say so?
> > BTW, what would be Sai Baba's proofs?
> > It's certainly not a theosophical idea and has obviously no rational
> > basis.
> > Frank
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Morten Nymann Olesen
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World - Fools rush in
> >
> > To all readers
> >
> > My views are:
> >
> > There is - one more - quote from HPB about what will happen in the years
> > after 1975.
> > I think with an organisation awaiting his arrival as HPB puts it in the
> > below, - one will have to stop believeing it to be the fact, that the
> > number
> > of persons involved in this are more than a few science intellectuals:
> >
> > "...that during the last quarter of every hundred years an attempt is
> made
> >
> > by those "Masters," of whom I have spoken, to help on the spiritual
> > progress
> > of Humanity in a marked and definite way. Towards the close of each
> > century
> > you will invariably find that an outpouring or upheaval of spirituality
> --
> >
> > or call it mysticism if you prefer -- has taken place. Some one or more
> > persons have appeared in the world as their agents, and a greater or
> less
> > amount of occult knowledge and teaching has been given out. If you care
> to
> >
> > do so, you can trace these movements back, century by century, as far as
> > our
> > detailed historical records extend...If the present attempt, in the form
> > of
> > our Society, succeeds better than its predecessors have done, then it
> will
> >
> > be in existence as an organized, living and healthy body when the time
> 307
> >
> > comes for the effort of the XXth century. The general condition of men's
> > minds and hearts will have been improved and purified by the spread of
> its
> >
> > teachings, and, as I have said, their prejudices and dogmatic illusions
> > will
> > have been, to some extent at least, removed. Not only so, but besides a
> > large and accessible literature ready to men's hands, the next impulse
> > will
> > find a numerous and united body of people ready to welcome the new
> > torch-bearer of Truth. He will find the minds of men prepared for his
> > message, a language ready for him in which to clothe the new truths he
> > brings, an organization awaiting his arrival, which will remove the
> merely
> >
> > mechanical, material obstacles and difficulties from his path. Think how
> > much one, to whom such an opportunity is given, could accomplish.
> Measure
> > it
> > by comparison with what the Theosophical Society actually has achieved
> in
> > the last fourteen years, without any of these advantages and surrounded
> by
> >
> > hosts of hindrances which would not hamper the new leader. Consider all
> > this, and then tell me whether I am too sanguine when I say that if the
> > Theosophical Society survives and lives true to its mission, to its
> > original
> > impulses through the next hundred years? Tell me, I say, if I go too far
> > in
> > asserting that earth will be a heaven in the twenty-first century in
> > comparison with what it is now!
> > (H. P. Blavatsky's book "Key to Theosophy", s. 306-7. English edition,
> > Italics added.)
> >
> > So HPB said in the above: "Think how much one, to whom such an
> opportunity
> >
> > is given, could accomplish. Measure it by comparison with what the
> > Theosophical Society actually has achieved in the last fourteen years,
> > without any of these advantages and surrounded by hosts of hindrances
> > which
> > would not hamper the new leader."
> >
> > So I guess I will just have to disagree with you about the importance of
> > the
> > numbers who receives the message Frank. I think it is not just me, who
> > talk
> > about it. As we can see HPB also did it. A high initiate will exactly be
> > able to deliver a message about truth and theosophy, and will be able to
> > reach thousands and tens of thousands with the proper message.
> >
> > But of course if you are right a spiritual outpouring coming from the
> > Masters will only affect a very few persons.
> > Some how I find my self disagreeing with this view.
> >
> > Frank wrote:
> > "You stick to much in forms rather than ideas."
> >
> > I am afraid you misunderstand, what I am talking about.
> > I am exactly sticking to "ideas" or rather what we call "spiritual
> > impact".
> > The level of "spiritual impact" are always related to the number of
> > persons
> > affected by the impact.
> >
> > M. Sufilight
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Frank Reitemeyer
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 10:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World - Fools rush in
> >
> > Morten,
> > I will not disturb your comfort and your conviction that you are right,
> > but
> > to answer your additional question:
> > We do not talk about for how many persons the ultimate proofs were
> given.
> > It's just you. To me it's not important. HPB did not write about
> > quantities.
> > Important is that this proofs were given.
> > I believe this predicted proofs are connected with the guruparampara,
> > which
> > was launched by HPB.
> > You may consider the first aim of the TS: To form a nucleus, not to form
> a
> > crowd as much as possible.
> >
> > As to the intellectual and spiritual level: This group of persons
> > obviously
> > cannot be very big, because most people were not fit.
> > Not even in the broad Theosophical Movement many theosophists were (and
> so
> > until today) ready.
> > There are lineages within the TM which would even reject that there were
> > other messengers than HPB.
> > Most people - including theosophical circles - do not even understand
> the
> > newspaper.
> >
> > So what would they gain when they would hear of a knowledge far advanced
> > from their own point of view?
> > So, logically, it could only be few. Even HPB's last book of the Golden
> > rules is dedicated to the few.
> > What then about teachings which go beyond that book?
> > What does it matter, to how many people the proofs were given?
> > I think you simply did not understand my opinion about the Masters plan.
> >
> > You stick to much in forms rather than ideas.
> >
> > Although only few theosophists may be ready, there may be probably some
> > out
> > there who think about 2075.
> > Best
> > Frank
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Morten Nymann Olesen
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World - Fools rush in
> >
> > I understand, that I was to be given such an answer to my questions.
> > I will rest in comfort, that my views are most likely true.
> >
> > You could consider the following questions and then consider why I
> > answered
> > like I did:
> > If one is to give others irrefutable proof of Gupta Vidya, who would
> they
> > be?
> > How many persons are we at least talking about? And what kind of proof
> > would
> > be required so we could call it irrefutable?
> >
> > M. Sufilight
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Frank Reitemeyer
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World - Fools rush in
> >
> > 1.
> > Frank wrote:
> > "So, from the logic point of view, HPB was refering to her occult
> > successor
> > in the Tibeto-Dzyan- transmission line."
> >
> > That is not logic. That was not what H. P. Blavatsky said.
> > H. P. Blavatsky said: "In Century the Twentieth some disciple more
> > informed,
> > and far better fitted, may be sent by the Masters of Wisdom to give
> final
> > and irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called Gupta-Vidya"
> >
> > That is "irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called
> > Gupta-Vidya" .
> > This proof would be given by a disciple more informed and far better
> > fitted,
> > than who? Logically a person more informed and better fitted Than H. P.
> > Blavatsky herself. And that is why such a person much likely would be
> > known
> > to the public, and not a person whom only a very few would learn about!
> > This is a more likely view than the one you prefer to emphasise.
> > What "irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called Gupta-Vidya"
> > are
> > better than to show people it all through action and to be an example to
> > tohers?
> >
> > ------------ --------- --------- -
> >
> > Morten,
> > yes, the disciple would be more informed and better fitted than
> Blavatsky,
> > therefore she could have been meant the 1975 messenger, but rather a
> chela
> > in the gurparampara.
> > As you can see, you have missed be point, for I was refering to that
> logic
> > before, the logic which you reject and at the same time you admit it.
> >
> > But HPB never said, that and how much this disciple which would be send
> to
> > the West, would be known to the public. That is but your - unbased -
> > interpretation, not HPB's meaning.
> >
> > She also says nothing about the quantity of people who could learn from
> > it.
> > That is your - unbased - interpretation, too.
> >
> > And I am sorry to say, that HPB does not say anything about the time
> frame
> > she had in mind. It can be relatively few people from the time of
> getting
> > started, but in the course of time - and Masters think in centuries, a
> > mantra GdeP always used - after decades or centuries the quantity could
> > grow
> > much from such a nucleus. So, it's but your interpretation, too.
> >
> > HPB writes only that this proofs will be given, she gives no time line
> for
> > publication. She hints rather to a time capsule.
> >
> > ------------ --------- --------- -
> >
> > 2.
> > Frank wrote:
> > "Sai Baba may be a fine teacher for some people, but he is certainly not
> > trained in the Dzyan school and therefore no messenger of the Dzyan and
> > Masters and Wisdom and Peace."
> >
> > You claim a lot here. Do you know who Sathya Sai Baba is?
> > What are you basing your views in the above on?
> > Why should your view be given any validity at all?
> > ------------ --------- --------- -
> >
> > I claim nothing. I just share my opinion with you.
> > My view has only the validity someone gives.
> > You are free to believe what you want.
> > I do the same.
> >
> > Best
> > Frank
> >
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