Theos-Talk Archives (February 2008 Message tt00297)

Dear Brother Nhcareta
   
  Thank you for your response.  Could you advise me on how I could become a student member of either of these groups?  I am interested in Theosophy vis-a-vis the Christian perspective.
   
  Peace and Blessings.
   
  Rev. Igani

nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
          Dear Reverend Igani

Welcome to the discussion and thank you for your 
question.

You write, "Kindly let me know the true Theosophical
group that is professing true theosopy as given by 
HPB."

At an international level there isn't an organisation, 
which focuses solely on the works of Madame Blavatsky.
However, of the various large international 
theosophical organisations, the United Lodge of 
Theosophists would probably focus on her works more 
than the others. 
This would perhaps be followed by the Theosophical 
Society (Pasadena) and finally the Theosophical 
Society (Adyar).

Each of these groups have their major secondary 
commentators being William Quan Judge for ULT; 
Dr Gottfried de Purucker for TSP; 
Dr Besant and Bishop Leadbeater for TSA.

Of these some think Mr Judge's works more closely 
represent those of Madame Blavatsky although others 
think the same of Dr Purucker. 
Dr Besant and Bishop Leadbeater's works are largely 
contradictory to, and manifestly misrepresent her 
teachings.

At the level of individual groups around the world, 
it is of course difficult to know.

Here in Australia we have the Theosophical Academy 
which conducts study groups on her and her Mahatmas' 
teachings alone. 

http://www.theosophicalacademy.iinet.net.au/

We don't however have any pretensions as to what is 
her "true theosopy" as you describe it. 
We simply study her works in the hope that one day 
we might.

Regards
Nigel

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, revigani <iganet2002@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings all.
> 
> I have been following discussions on this trend and others. I 
can understand different claims on true Theosophy. Kindly let me 
know the true Theosophical group that is professing true theosopy as 
given by HPB.
> 
> May you be blessed.
> 
> Rev. Igani
> 
> nhcareyta <nhcareyta@...> wrote:
> Dear Mr Petri
> 
> Thank you for your response and please do not 
> apologise; welcome to the conversation.
> 
> You ask, "Have you ever been in any of the LCC´s 
> masses after all?"
> 
> Yes.
> 
> You ask, "?are you just pondering over this 
> intellectually - comparing words of Mahatama 
> to someone else´s ords?"
> 
> Yes, but not only with intellect. The issues 
> under discussion surpass mere intellectual 
> investigation.
> Please read some of my and others' recent and 
> past postings to obtain a clearer idea.
> 
> You ask, "Should we study letters of Mahatamas 
> after all as they were mostly confidential 
> letters to A.P. Sinnett?"
> 
> This is indeed a very good and moot point, one 
> deserving of considerable contemplation. 
> 
> There are those who believe it wrong to even read 
> the letters for the reason you have stated. 
> Others take a different view, sometimes for 
> differing reasons.
> 
> In the Mahatma Letters to A P Sinnett, the Mahatma 
> KH writes, "I lay no restrictions upon your making 
> use of anything I may have written to you or Mr. 
> Hume, having full confidence in your tact and 
> judgment as to what should be printed and how 
> it should be presented. " 
> L 15; Chronology of George Linton and Virginia Hanson
> 
> However in letter 128 he writes, "My letters must 
> not be published in the manner you suggest?" "The 
> letters, in short, were not written for publication 
> or public comment upon them, but for private use, 
> and neither M. nor I will ever give our consent to 
> see them thus handled."
> 
> Whilst this appears unequivocal, this letter was 
> written in the context of protecting Mr Sinnett 
> and the Adyar Theosophical Society from further 
> undesirable effects after the troubles of the 
> "Kiddle incident." I refer you to the full quote 
> below. *
> 
> The letters were and continue to be published and are 
> therefore now in the public domain. 
> 
> This being the case, I believe Theosophical students 
> should read and study them, if only for the sake of 
> understanding a little more of who these Mahatmas were, 
> such as is possible to know, and understanding what 
> they said, such as is possible to understand; as well 
> as perhaps protecting them and their teachings from 
> the potential of false representation. 
> 
> After all, it was only after their general publication 
> that actual proof became available of Bishop Leadbeater 
> and Dr Besant lying so consistently and thoroughly about 
> their contact with the Mahatmas and their superiors. ** 
> 
> I further believe the letters should be treated with 
> utmost respect and only in a Theosophical study 
> setting. 
> This being one of those places it seems 
> appropriate to use the wisdom and compassion of 
> their words to elucidate their apparent position 
> on certain matters.
> 
> I do however greatly respect the principled position 
> others take in not reading the letters. 
> We must perhaps leave it to karma to determine 
> our respective fates.
> 
> You write, "I belive LCC brings good esoteric views 
> to christian religion.
> And after all it supports all religions, but mostly 
> so called wisdom-religion, theosophy. Maha-Cohan has 
> also said in one of his talks that theosophy will be a 
> corner-stone for all the religions."
> 
> With respect, this is not what the Mahachohan said. 
> 
> He said, "?the Theosophical Society was chosen as 
> the corner stone, the foundation of the future 
> religion of humanity." Letters from the Masters of 
> the Wisdom 1st Series. Appendix 2; The Mahatma Letters 
> to A P Sinnett; chronology of George Linton and 
> Virginia Hanson
> 
> Whilst we may ordinarily dismiss your pluralisation 
> of the word "religion" as insignificant, it actually 
> carries particular significance. 
> 
> The Mahatmas and their Chiefs were attempting to 
> reintroduce a particular spiritual philosophy based 
> in Unity and inclusiveness, a genuine "re ligare", 
> or return to our source. 
> 
> Indeed, the inclusive first object of the Adyar 
> Theosophical Society states; To form a nucleus of 
> the Universal Brotherhood of humanity without 
> distinction of race, creed, sex, caste or colour. 
> 
> The major religions of the west at that time, 
> Judaism, Islam and Christianity, were rooted in 
> exclusivity and believed in the superiority of 
> their respective faith. They also believed, and 
> some still believe, in the superiority and 
> exclusivity of the priesthood to make contact with 
> "God." 
> 
> Likewise in the Liberal Catholic church, the 
> so-called "theosophical church", the Bishop or 
> priest is somewhat exclusive and superior in that 
> only he can draw down the "Christ energies" and 
> distribute this to his flock. Moreover, according 
> to Bishop Leadbeater's teaching this can only be 
> done by a man, a woman's vehicles being occultly 
> unsuitable. 
> 
> This hardly represents the Unity and inclusiveness 
> of genuine Theosophy.
> 
> So we can see, these expressions of religion were 
> quite obviously not the "wisdom-religion, theosophy" 
> to which the Mahachohan was alluding as you suggest 
> and have probably been told.
> 
> This is not to say there is no value in the religions 
> of the day, including the Liberal Catholic church. 
> Their teachings help produce many fine human beings 
> from all walks of life. 
> In terms of compassionate action alone they perform a 
> vital role for many people throughout the world. 
> 
> But from my perspective, their superiority based, 
> hierarchical philosophy and ritualistic practices are, 
> in significant part, not representative of the 
> spiritual philosophy of the genuine Mahatmas and 
> their Theosophy. 
> 
> However these do tend to be represented in the 
> pseudo-theosophy of Bishop Leadbeater.
> 
> Thank you again for your heartfelt comments and 
> involvement.
> 
> Shanti
> Nigel
> 
> * "My letters must not be published, in the manner 
> you suggest, but on the contrary, if you [would] 
> save Djual K. trouble, copies of some should be 
> sent to the Literary Committee at Adyar ? about 
> which Damodar has written to you ? so that with 
> the assistance of S.T.K. Charya, Djual K., Subba 
> Row and the Secret Committee (from which H.P.B. 
> was purposely excluded by us to avoid new suspicions 
> and calumnies) they might be able to utilise the 
> information for the realization of the object with 
> which the Committee was started, as explained by 
> Damodar in the letter written by him under orders. 
> It is neither new "Kiddle developments" that I seek 
> to avoid, nor criticism directed against my 
> personality, which indeed can hardly be reached; 
> but I rather try to save yourself and Society 
> from new troubles which would be serious this time. 
> The letters, in short, were not written for 
> publication or public comment upon them, but 
> for private use, and neither M. nor I will ever 
> give our consent to see them thus handled."
> 
> ** Please see "Theosophy Versus Neo Theosophy" 
> http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/thomas/index.htm 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jokela Petri <jokelap@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Have you ever been in any of the LCC´s masses after all?
> > Or are you just pondering over this intellectually - comparing 
> words of 
> > Mahatama
> > to someone else´s ords? Should we study letters of Mahatamas 
after 
> all 
> > as they were mostly
> > confidential letters to A.P. Sinnett? At least we should not make 
> > Mahatma letters
> > to be accurate dogma. Mahatma himself was not perfect all the 
time 
> when 
> > writing them.
> > Also KH said that adept its the one who does have all his occult 
> powers 
> > in use,
> > so therefore he is fallible in other times and that they cannot 
> keep up 
> > their occult
> > powers in work all the time just like atlethic cannot train his 
> muscles 
> > all the time.
> > 
> > I belive LCC brings good esoteric views to christian religion.
> > And after all it supports all religions, but mostly so called
> > wisdom-religion, theosophy. Maha-Cohan has also said in one of 
his 
> talks
> > that theosophy will be a corner-stone for all the religions. So I 
> belive 
> > it is a some
> > kind of a key to every religion, to their esoteric side and to 
open 
> > heartedness
> > for all world religions.
> > 
> > All works for free in LCC. Priesthood and so on are mainly in a 
> position 
> > where one must take some responsibility of some duties. Reading 
> Bible or 
> > lines which they go through in mass should be pretty enlightening 
> for 
> > one who studies things open heartedly.
> > 
> > So if there is a place in the world for all the churches we have, 
> so 
> > isn´t there a room for LCC, which is must closer to truth. 
> Acttually 
> > they ask everyone to find the truth by themselves. So, LCC is a 
> place 
> > where people are seeking the truth. What´s wrong with it?
> > 
> > Sorry for taking apart for your conversation.
> > 
> > Peace!
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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