Theos-Talk Archives (February 2008 Message tt00226)

Sorry. I am not sure, that I understood, what you were trying to tell me. Can you help me out?

The lecturer Richard Smoley is on the video in mention clearly saying that the Catholic Church and the Ortodox Churches have never condemned the doctrine of reincarnation. When saying this, he is obviously saying something, which is NOT true. The quotes I made in the previous email from the Vatican's own website aught to clearly spell this out.



M. Sufilight

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  Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 6:49 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Christian's have never condemned reincarnation?


  Thank you for your views.
  Here's my own reaction/view to your post.
  I think some people still erroneous believe as they have been conditioned to do, that the Roman Church is the Catholic Church, when in fact it is just one of the branches of the catholic apostolic faith tree, making up the whole and complete Church or just one denomination of the Apostolic Faith.
  The RC Pontiff is not the final say about what ancient Catholic/Christian teachings teach or is held in their traditions. The RC church cannot presume to speak for all the lines of Apostolic succession that are valid and traceable to the apostles. 
  One can do a search on the many Catholic rite churches that are not under the Pope. 
  Granted the RC is the largest, but not exclusively the authority for catholic Christianity and then you would not be asking without positive verification on who says so, and what jurisdiction they are speaking out from. :I wonder why Theosophy promotes non-truth at the TS America website? I



  Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:
  To all readers

  My views are:

  At the TS America website we get the following from their Media Library website:
  " Our Gnostic Legacy: The Western Esoteric Tradition" ( A video with what I believe is one of the more prominent TS speakers named Richard Smoley)
  http://www.theosophicalinstitute.org/medialibrary/insidelibrary.php?mode=b

  In this video it is claimed that the Christian's have never condemned the doctrine of reincarnation, (minutes 6-9 ).
  I will have to protest against such a false view!

  . . . . . . . The evidence is here in the below . . . . . . .

  At The Catholic Church's own website we have today the following:
  "Both cosmic unity and reincarnation are irreconcilable with the Christian belief that a human person is a distinct being, who lives one life, for which he or she is fully responsible: this understanding of the person puts into question both responsibility and freedom. Christians know that "in the cross of Christ not only is the redemption accomplished through suffering, but also human suffering itself has been redeemed. Christ - without any fault of his own - took on himself 'the total evil of sin'. The experience of this evil determined the incomparable extent of Christ's suffering, which became the price of the redemption... The Redeemer suffered in place of man and for man. Every man has his own share in the redemption, Each one is also called to share in that suffering through which the redemption was accomplished. He is called to share in that suffering through which all human suffering has also been redeemed. In bringing about the redemption through suffering, Christ
  has also raised human suffering to the level of the redemption. Thus each man in his suffering can also become a sharer in the redemptive suffering of Christ"." (John Paul II, Apostolic Letter on human suffering "Salvifici doloris" (11 February 1984))

  So it seems obvious to me, that the Catholic Church have at least since 1984 rejected the doctrine of reincarnation.

  More so the following papal decree tell us, that Reincarnation was out of the question quite early on in the Christian teachings:
  "If anyone asserts the fabulous preexistence of souls, and shall assert the monstrous restoration which follows from it: let him be anathema. (The Anathemas against Origen), attached to the decrees of the Fifth Ecumenical Council, A.D. 545, in Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, 2d ser., 14: 318)."

  The following short article also tell us the same.
  "Reincarnation as Taught by Early Christians" By I. M. Oderberg
  http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/reincar/re-imo.htm

  I wonder why Theosophy promotes non-truth at the TS America website?

  M. Sufilight

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