Theos-Talk Archives (February 2008 Message tt00196)

Dear Cass

You write, "Yes Nigel, he must have been a really 
powerful ego, as his influence has lasted this long."

Yes indeed, this is both a problem and an opportunity.

If we are genuine in our search for the truths 
and mysteries, and not merely seeking the comfort and 
safety of an external authority, we can use the example 
of Bishop Leadbeater and his writings as an excellent
illustration of a warped and devious mind which entraps 
in such clever and enticing ways.


Using reputable teachings to pursue his agenda his 
guile is unsurpassed in theosophical literature.


And so many recognise it not!


For this reason, and at risk of tedium for regular 
participants in this forum, he and his writings need 
be exposed regularly for the sake of newcomers who may 
log on at any time.


Thank you for contributing so often to this necessary 
dialogue despite your discomfort. 
Our shared experiences and feelings may be in the 
minority, but at least they are heard for the sake 
of others.

Kind regards and best wishes
Nigel   



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
>
> Yes Nigel, he must have been a really powerful ego, as his 
influence has lasted this long.  I get the creeps everytime I think 
of him, not unlike how I feel about Hitler.
>    
>   Cass
> 
> nhcareyta <nhcareyta@...> wrote:
>           Dear Cass
> 
> Thank you again for your response.
> 
> You write, "Perhaps that is why members need the LCC because they 
> have been psychologically entrapped and are completely oblivious to 
> their enforced mindset."
> 
> I might add, not only those in the LCC but those who bargain in any 
> way with the wiles of Bishop Leadbeater's words and mindset.
> 
> Kind regards
> Nigel
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@> wrote:
> >
> > As a child I was fully convinced by the drama of the catholic 
> rituals, the latin mass, the incense, the mei culpas, etc that I 
was 
> in the presence of something holy and magical and certainly 
something 
> more powerful than me. When this is indoctrinated into one and 
> becomes part of the psyche, it becomes a very scary thing to walk 
> away entirely, especially as one has the fear of hell and satan 
> hanging over every question raised. Like you, it was the hypocricy 
> that finally caused me to walk away, much to my mothers angst and 
> constant prayers for me. Perhaps that is why members need the LCC 
> because they have been psychologically entrapped and are completely 
> oblivious to their enforced mindset. 
> > 
> > Thanks for your response
> > Cass
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > nhcareyta <nhcareyta@> wrote:
> > Dear Cass and All
> > 
> > Cass, thank you for your response.
> > 
> > You write, "?that's all it is, a nice romantic notion, 
> > which keeps celebrant and sheep at a comfortable 
> > distance, as you state."
> > 
> > You have highlighted one of the absolutely key issues 
> > concerning the Bishop Leadbeater/Dr Besant fiasco for 
> > Theosophy. 
> > 
> > Quite apart from the lies, gross 
> > misrepresentations and political machinations, they 
> > each supported the idea of a required intermediary 
> > between ourselves and the "Absolute." 
> > 
> > Their writings were replete with paternalism and 
> > centralised leadership, leading to dominance of, and 
> > compliance from, their respective flocks.
> > 
> > It is sometimes argued they were merely 
> > representing the mindset of the times.
> > 
> > This is indeed the case and demonstrates why Madame 
> > Blavatsky and her writings were so significantly and 
> > vitally different. 
> > 
> > This is entirely a case of mindset. One liberates and 
> > frees whilst the other snares and entraps.
> > 
> > The mind which begins to liberate itself can at first 
> > feel a little insecure.
> > The mind which is entrapped feels little of this as it 
> > feels comfortable in its developing "certainty" and 
> > "security."
> > 
> > The mind which feels the draw of liberation but 
> > experiences certain insecurities can fluctuate 
> > back and forth, rationalising as it goes, desperately 
> > wanting freedom but fearful of being alone, although 
> > it is reluctant to admit this. 
> > It usually returns in varying degree to the comfort of 
> > external authority or some perceived "balanced" 
> > perspective where it feels the external authority is 
> > under control and awareness. 
> > 
> > Little does it know of the entrapping power of the 
> > insecure, follower mindset.
> > 
> > This is no idle endeavour. As the Mahatma KH writes, 
> > "..the stakes are human souls." 
> > 
> > The far-reaching effects of the state of the entrapped 
> > mind often cannot be understood and genuinely known by 
> > mere information alone. It is a matter of awakened 
> > consciousness, which depends on many factors. 
> > 
> > Skandhas, psychological effects of childhood and 
> > upbringing, life experiences and peer pressure all 
> > affect our state of consciousness and its 
> > representative, our mindset.
> > 
> > Interestingly, knowledge and even intelligence often 
> > have little or nothing to do with our state of awakened 
> > consciousness. In fact there are some who would say 
> > these qualities actually impede the conditions for 
> > awakening.
> > 
> > I have spoken with many highly intelligent and deeply 
> > thoughtful people who are convinced Bishop Leadbeater 
> > was an outstandingly spiritual, highly evolved initiate 
> > who was in direct contact with the inner government of 
> > the world, simply because he said so. 
> > 
> > His writing style is so convincing to them that it 
> > removes all doubt from their minds. Due to their state 
> > of consciousness they willingly relinquish their own 
> > innate authority to another.
> > 
> > This is psychological delusion of one of the worst 
> > kinds and is caused at least in part by the 
> > aforementioned factors.
> > 
> > As you state, "?there are some very devout, but 
> > misguided followers in the LCC?" 
> > 
> > I would add to this that some of those parishioners 
> > I have met and worked with in a number of different 
> > settings are very fine human beings whom I would 
> > ordinarily aspire to emulate. 
> > They can be selfless and kind beyond normal measure. 
> > But when the topic of Bishop Leadbeater arises they 
> > can lose all sense of reason, displaying either the 
> > glazed expression of blind devotion or the angry 
> > demeanour of the persecution complex. 
> > 
> > Whilst any teacher can engender this kind of 
> > devotional following, Bishop Leadbeater and Dr Besant 
> > encouraged it.
> > 
> > And it is this mindset, so insidious and anathema to 
> > the Theosophy of Madame Blavatsky and her teachers, 
> > which I believe caused Bishop Leadbeater, together 
> > with other matters, and Dr Besant to do them and their 
> > teachings such disservice.
> > 
> > Kind regards
> > Nigel
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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