Theos-Talk Archives (February 2008 Message tt00082)

Ha, it actually represented some topics at hand at the
moment in this forum:) I should have looked for a
saviour vid, lol


--- Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Loved it, but what has it to do with Krishnamurti?
>   Cass
> 
> Martin <Mvandertak@yahoo.com> wrote:
>           Well check this vid out :-)
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk41Gbjljfo
> 
> --- Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > At this stage Morten, I will give him the benefit
> of
> > the doubt, as I have never read anything from him
> or
> > about him that states he believed he was an
> Avatar. 
> > Yes, he was schooled by Besant and Leadbeater to
> be
> > the next messiah, but I believe he saw the
> hypocricy
> > in this and his advaitism that he walked away.
> > 
> > His last video shows that he died angry and that
> > he felt his life's mission had failed.
> > 
> > Cass
> > 
> > Morten Nymann Olesen
> <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
> > wrote:
> > To all readers
> > 
> > My views are justmy views:
> > 
> > Aaaaargh Cass.
> > 
> > I thought you read my recent thread and emails at
> > Theos-l forum about Krishnamurti?
> > 
> > Krishnamurti called himself an Avatar in his
> > writings and allowed officially to announced being
> > such a creature, no doubt there. Although he
> > officially rejected the thought of being a saviour
> > who needed followers and fanatics when alive and
> > when dead, - he very well knew what the endresult
> > would be if he did not deny being a Messiah. When
> he
> > in his young age allowed Annie Besant to announce
> > him as the Maitreya for four years before he
> > dissolved The Order of The Star in the East, - he
> > INDEED created what he needed. 
> > 
> > His Adwaita Vedanta teachings was not and is not
> > anything new, and are and was not the best
> teachings
> > available. Sure Advaita is not for everyone. Yet
> > each an everyone will one day learn its esoteric
> > teachings in one form or another.
> > 
> > M. Sufilight
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Cass Silva 
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Theosophical Traditions &
> > New Students of Theosophy
> > 
> > If you have read Krishnamurti, Morten, you will
> see
> > that he did not see himself as a saviour, rather
> the
> > opposite. As HPB brought the ancient teachings to
> > the 20th century, Krishnamurti brought Advaita
> > philosophy to the 21st century. Advaita is not for
> > everyone, I have heard that it is a quicker route
> > but fraught with pitfalls.
> > 
> > Cass
> > 
> > Morten Nymann Olesen
> <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Allow me to repeat a short exerpt from the below
> > with words by HPB:
> > 
> > "The Secret 
> > Doctrine, original edition, Vol. I, p. viii.
> Italics
> > added. 
> > 
> > "... A new and rapidly growing danger...is
> > threatening...the spread 
> > of the pure Esoteric Philosophy and knowledge....I
> > allude to those 
> > charlatanesque imitations of Occultism and
> > Theosophy....By pandering 
> > to the prejudices of people, and especially by
> > adopting the false 
> > ideas of a personal God and a personal, carnalized
> > Saviour, as the 
> > groundwork of their teaching, the leaders of this
> > 'swindle' (for such 
> > it is) are endeavoring to draw men to them and in
> > particular to turn 
> > Theosophists from the true path." E.S. Instruction
> > No. I., 1890 
> > edition, p. 2. Italics added."
> > 
> > Eureka! Let the fanatics, Krishnamurti followers
> and
> > similar saviour-worshippers listen to that one.
> > 
> > M. Sufilight
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: nhcareyta 
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:39 AM
> > Subject: Theos-World Theosophical Traditions & New
> > Students of Theosophy
> > 
> > There are at least a dozen different Theosophical
> > "traditions" 
> > or "schools" based on the claims of various
> > prominent individuals in 
> > the modern Theosophical Movement. 
> > 
> > H.P. Blavatsky (1831-1891) was the first person in
> > modern times to 
> > write about the Theosophical Adepts, especially
> the
> > Masters Morya and 
> > Koot Hoomi. 
> > 
> > Madame Blavatsky wrote:
> > 
> > " . . . I was the first in the United States to
> > bring the existence 
> > of our Masters into publicity; and . . . exposed
> the
> > holy names of 
> > two members of a Brotherhood hitherto unknown to
> > Europe and America 
> > (save to a few mystics and Initiates of every
> age),
> > yet sacred and 
> > revered throughout the East, and especially India
> .
> > . . . " "The 
> > Theosophical Mahatmas." The Path, December, 1886.
> > 
> > But after H.P.B.'s death in 1891, we find numerous
> > claims of contact 
> > with the same Adepts. See a list of persons making
> > such claims.
> > 
> > These various claims are dependent on Mme.
> > Blavatsky's original 
> > statements and testimony. 
> > 
> > For example, if H.P.B. was a fraud, her Masters
> > fictional characters, 
> > and her teachings false or simply made up and/or
> > borrowed from 
> > genuine previously existing religious and esoteric
> > beliefs, then all 
> > the later claims based on hers would also be
> false. 
> > 
> > "You cannot acquire psychic power until the causes
> > of psychic 
> > debility are removed. . . . You have scarcely
> > learned the elements of 
> > self-control in psychism. . . . "
> > 
> > "Your vivid creative fancy [imagination] evokes
> > illusive Gurus and 
> > chelas, and puts into their mouths words coined
> the
> > instant before in 
> > the mint of your mind, unknown to yourself." 
> > 
> > "The false appears as real, as the true, and you
> > have no exact method 
> > of detection, since you are yet prone to force
> your
> > communications to 
> > agree with your preconceptions." 
> > Master Koot Hoomi, 
> > Mrs. Holloway and the Mahatmas,
> > Letter 17 Bold added.
> > But if H.P.B.'s claims and teachings are true and
> > genuine, that is 
> > no guarantee that any of the later claims are
> > therefore true and 
> > genuine, too. All later claims might be false.
> > Or only one or only some of the later claims might
> > be true but the 
> > rest might be false. Etc. 
> 
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