Theos-Talk Archives (January 2008 Message tt00025)

Christina,
   Thanks for your reply. I have been to Neuschwanstein Castle in the 1950's it is a very intensive work of Art. Disneyland's "Fairytale Castle" is directly modeled off of it. Inside it is very ornate, there are some 1200 individually crafted wooden doors in the Castle and each side set is a unique individual design different than all other of the doors. They told us that when the doors were finished Mad King Ludwig had their hands cut off so the Art could never be duplicated.  From Neuschwanstein you can look down and across the Lake far below is Swansea Castle Ludwid's Fathers Castle. There is also a legend that the spot upon which Neuschwanstein Castle was built used to be a Graal Castle Site. The Throne Room is gilded in Gold and there are many ornate marble pillars and rococco Paintings of Teutonic scenes. One can take a horse carriage to travel up the long winding road to the Castle entrance.
   At Fussen I visited the Ettel Monastery Chapel there it was probably the most magnificent spot I saw in Europe. There were two preserved Saints bodies in reliquairy sepulcher's with glass fronts that allowed us to see them inside. The Rose Marble Pillars were beautiful. The Gold Gilding was intensive inside and there were beautiful paintings decorating it all. I was able to find it on Google Earth as well as Neuschwanstein Castle, Swansea Castle, Oberamegau where the Passion Plays are held once every seven years, and saw the magnificent works of the Wood Carvers there.

Years later when I found Theosophy and read what Blavsaidy said about these places it seems like I was a cattle that was led by a ring in my nose to visit unconsciously these special locations. When I went to London I stayed at the Albion Court Hotel just a short walk from Marble Arch that Blavatsky spoke about. I used to go each week-end to Marionberg Fortress in Wurzburg Germany and sit up in the wine porch sipping white Rhine Wine and enjoying the view, I didn't even know Blavatsky had lived there at that point of time in my life and I had no knowledge of Wilhelmstrasse or where she lived on it.

Regards, 
John
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From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com> 
Yes, as you discribe Caves, I think it will be a great pleasure to 
read.Especially the way she takes us with her in the 
experiences.Barborka did not tell which Island they visited in T and 
T.Now I am half the book. Yes it is great idea to look after with 
google earth.But in passing times names have been changed.I think 
till now, no one have found the valley and caves of KH and M with 
their little temple, also not in other place their museum.
The valley or ravine does not exist anymore, for there have been an 
disaster in vulcanic way.It would have been so wonderful , like in 
fairy tales.More places are of wonderful beauty as the castles in 
Europe.For example Schloss Neuschanstein, near Füssen in Beyern.You 
can see on google.nl by typing only the name you see it and its 
surroundings and history, oneof te most beautiful castles I ever had 
seen.

Christina

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@... wrote:
>
> Christina,
> Yes I have Caves and Jungles of Hindustan here for decades and 
when I first purchased it in the 1970's It was such fun to read, so 
very stimulating and the exotic contents were enthralling and wafted 
me away to far places. I so much enjoyed whatever interesting 
detailing of their experiences, feelings, surprise and amazement and 
consternation alike. I loved the description of the many obscure 
monuments like the Caves of Elephanta. I never knew it was an Island 
until recently, I found it on my travels on Google Earth. I don't 
remember Madame Blavatsky telling that it was right in the middle of 
the Calcutta Harbor! Today I like to locate places she went to on 
Google Earth if I can and put a pin on the location and save it to 
my favorite Places in Google Earth.
> 
> I promise you will love and treasure Tibet and Tulku.
> 
> Regards,
> John
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@...> 
> John, have you read from the Caves,jungles of Hindustan by the hand 
> of HPB,as Radda Bai.
> I think in Russian she had expressed totally, but her niece 
> translated the stories into English.
> 
> Wonderful the story "An Island of mystery".
> The orchest; the gigantic sirka reeds(vina- devi)and the bamboos, 
> some musical fantasy born of the howling and whistling of the wind.
> A horrid fancy haunts the bewildered heads, the image that the
> invisible artists strain the veins and not the strings of imaginary 
> violins. Real fun that Olcott thought that Gulab-Singh caused that 
> phenomonon and had no idea it was natural acoustic caused by the 
wind.
> I would have been there too!
> Also I can understand Barborka's pity to turn away from Caves and 
> jungles and the talentful writings from HPB's pen. Tomorrow I buy 
> that book. Realy great such entertainment.
> Christina
> 
> -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> >
> > Christina,
> > Thanks for your comments and reply. Well, I don't want to give 
> the impression that I have any special knowledge of how this was 
> effected on H.P.B. what I say is only my personal opinion. First I 
> hold the view that the Seventh Atmic and Sixth Buddhic Principals 
are 
> both Transcendental immutable unchangable and beyond the ability to 
> effect of even Mahatma or Dhyana Buddha for even they are 
> Personalizations. So what remains that is not of Transcendental 
State 
> are the five lower Principles the Sthula, Prana, Linga, Kama, Manas 
> (divided of upper and lower mind). I believe it was one of these 
that 
> was separated and retained during her Initiations in Tibet. 
According 
> to Tibet and Tulku one thing this facilitated when the ability to 
> communicate to a higher permanent degree with her at all times and 
> to allow the direct use of her vehicle when desired. Her Astral 
Bell 
> that she always heard on the current signaling the approach or 
> nearness of her Masters or a special important message. Pe
> > rhaps it also was a mechanism that made possible her ability to 
> make use of Akashic Records to read and transcribe directly the 
> literary contents she placed in her works. In addition it is said 
> that by retaining the Principle her Oath of Silence was insured, 
for 
> to violate it would cause permanent loss to her of this Principle.
> > 
> > There is some indication that the Ancient Egyptian also had some 
> type of knowledge in this matter regarding the "Shabti" and 
> energization that permitted unique interface with the individual in 
> works that are not Theosophical and deal especially with Egyptian 
> Matters only. 
> > 
> > The depth and breath of the contents of Tibet and Tulku are too 
> deep and complex to explain like this. But my eyes were opened on 
> many, many things that directly apply to how the Masters project 
> their Image and Mind, send messages, make use of a chela remotely 
and 
> so many other modes that are a unique ability of the Mahatma or 
full 
> Adept. When H.P.B. spent five weeks exteriorized from her physical 
> body where else but in Tibet and Tulku are the further allowed 
> details found about this? 
> > 
> > This work will always remain with me and in my library it offers 
> deep understanding and explanations not found in any other 
> Theosophical works. At the time I first purchased my hardbound 
> edition from a rare book dealer I was very deeply involved in a 
most 
> phenomenal UFO Case in 1976, I was experiencing many things one can 
> only read about in H.P.B.'s life --- conversant real time 
telepathy, 
> apportment of objects by the UFO Experiencer, Astral bells ringing 
on 
> a regular basis, and much more! I was looking for something that 
> might explain who was the "Projector", how was it done, how can 
they 
> change time itself? And I found excellent correlates in Tibet and 
> Tulku no where else have I found this important instructive content 
> in more than 32 years. It was one of the things that caused me to 
> find Theosophy many years ago.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > John 
> > 
> > 
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@> 
> > Sorry, it is not the language, it is me.I read it too quickly and
> > think directly, better forget the thinking by reading.And I had 
some
> > one on WinLive messager, so too much.Later when I read again I 
saw 
> you
> > say the right thing they pointed out on page 144.
> > But indeed how they could take off one of the lower principles, 
then
> > she would have been not completed by herself.Possibly she was not 
> and
> > for that they give her the 7th and take off the motive for talk, 
so 
> a
> > part of the fifth away.
> > 
> > Opera browser have problems with this group, for all this 
messages 
> are
> > not there.I opened in my other browser.
> > 
> > i have the book for some months, so I have not read all.
> > Christina
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Christina,
> > > Thanks for your comments. We must have a language thing here. I
> > said they retained One of the Seven Principles of her Economy of
> > Being. I didn't say which one. You through translation between 
> English
> > and Dutch missed my true meaning. But thanks for you reply I am 
> happy
> > that you have read T.T. , I thought if anyone has it would be you 
> and
> > the thought was a truth.
> > > I appreciate your response and comments. My point was to give 
some
> > expanded basis for accounting for some of the peculiarities 
observed
> > in Madame Blavatskys behaviors that create such a negative 
response
> > towards her.This was asked about by members here. How many people
> > could do otherwise if they were missing one of the necessary
> > Principles of Wholeness of Being? I don't want to predefine from 
my
> > own views for others so I hope they will read Tibet and Tulku and
> > benefit. The Tulku are the Sky Walkers and Nirmanakaya from a 
> Tibetan
> > view. I got a kick when I first watched Star Wars and the Hero was
> > Luke Skywalker who had a real Skywalker ( Obe 1 kenobi) as his 
> Mentor
> > (a correlate metaphor for the Mahatma). In my view I was greatly
> > helped in grasping many things one reads of in the History of her 
> life
> > and without the explanations detailed in this Book I would never 
> have
> > had the expanded view on how the "Communication" actually takes 
> place
> > between the Brothers and Blavatsky and others
> > > and the several different modes that are used in different 
forms.
> > You having read it know this, it will always be with you.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > John
> > > 
> > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@> 
> > > Thank you , for you the same wishes and that the world may have 
> more
> > > peace.Especially the people on it.
> > > NASA is realy great and does not earn people write stupid books 
on
> > > them.Here we have Delft and Eindhoven , which technology they 
> share.
> > > Now we produce a new collapsible bookreader, which we can use 
very
> > > easy and also can be weared in GSM's. Easy to take with you, 
put a
> > > card reader or readingUSB stick in it and you have a total from 
> more
> > > than 160 gig to take with you.Very handy.All theosophical books 
> in a
> > > minute .It reads better than from a book for it have a better 
> reading
> > > field and have special light, better for the eyes.
> > > This year we bring it on the market.
> > > 
> > > I have read pag 143/4 - 363/4/5 in my book T and T from 
Barborka.
> > > 
> > > Her emotional expression is one of the square underlying 
> principles,
> > > so normally and (why they take the seventh principle ?),that 
would
> > > bring a disaster to her and the world, they never should do 
that.
> > > That you have read wrong. 
> > > 
> > > She needed to prepare the way for mankind.
> > > 
> > > And the fact of the 7 th principle in the complete human 
> being.That
> > > is the point.Otherwise the human being is not complete and a 
> danger
> > > for himself and others.
> > > 
> > > She needed to show and exercizing the siddhis of the 6th 
> principle in
> > > human, so she could warn us for the danger in them.As we all 
know 
> one
> > > can do good with the Ajna developement, but also do wrong with 
> it. It
> > > is the heaviest power we have.For that she must have had the 
> seventh
> > > principle , otherwise she would fallen down into and staying in 
> that 6
> > > principle and a danger, if no control from the 7 th.Sahasrara. 
> > > The 7(sahasrara) and the 6(ajna) are to be needed to stay in the
> > > higher mind and come out of the lower mind.That is what I know.
> > > But she lived in a time of no developement like we have now and 
> most 
> > > people were very crazy of mediumship and spiritism.If that 
should 
> go
> > > on, we would have the atlantis from the past, better we have 
the 
> post
> > > atlantic period now and the possibility to turn back to 
spiritual
> > > developement, which brings wisdom, wealth and happines.
> > > That is what jezus predicted , the kingdom of god, the kingdom,=
> > > nothing outside, but inside ourselves; the total developement 
in 
> the
> > > human to become human, human with Divinesoul, Spiritualsoul and
> > > Humansoul, Atma,Buddhi,Manas in one person, the UNITY working 
> with the
> > > 4 lower principles, all together.All need to be perfected.That 
is 
> the
> > > way.And happely we have not all the same, psychophysical
> > > conditionsThan we would be like the UNOX sausage.
> > > Christina
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Christina,
> > > > Hi and Happy New Year to you. Thanks for the neat useful 
links 
> for
> > > NASA they are really great archives. I agree with you NASA
> > > historically has had many, many other Nation Partners then and 
> today
> > > also. Like The ESA of the European Union, The Japanese Space 
> Agency,
> > > The Australian Partnership that Tracking and Data Receipt 
Station 
> is
> > > still there now and has recently been engaged in providing the 
> similar
> > > services as it did during the Apollo Missions among others. We 
> also
> > > have Brazilian and other South American Partners in Space and 
many
> > > tracking Stations all over the World with the complete consent 
and
> > > agreement of the Governments of many Nations.
> > > > 
> > > > The entire World sat rapt in utter amazement and watched and
> > > listened to the Moon Missions and the Moon landings. All over 
the
> > > world the media received and recorded it at each and everyone 
of 
> the
> > > TV Stations and Radio Stations of the "FREE WORLD" that 
> rreceivedand
> > > resent the live signal out to their populace! The exception 
were 
> those
> > > behind the Iron Curtain of the Soviet EMPIRE and the other 
> hegemony of
> > > the Communist Ghouldom!
> > > > 
> > > > These Redactionists of history invent strawman and red herring
> > > issues for political agendas even today they just cannot accept 
> they
> > > lost WWII and they lost the Cold War and they will always remain
> > > losers to rational people anywhere on earth.
> > > > 
> > > > BTW, when I posted about pages 143-44 of Tibet and Tulku is 
was
> > > because i wanted to point to what was done to H.P.B. by the 
> Brothers
> > > -----they removed 1 of her seven principles from her and 
retained 
> it
> > > in their keeping to serve several purposes, the result of this 
is 
> seen
> > > in her personality and temperament. 
> > > > 
> > > > Regards
> > > > John 
> > > > 
> > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@> 
> > > > Cass,
> > > > I think, the NASA( are not only Americans)and also work in 
> > > > company with Swiss can have LOL about all the stupids on 
> > > > earth.
> > > > Why you think you have INTERNET
> > > > Why you think we have solar cells to warm the houses?
> > > > Why you think we have digital camera's and all kind off stuff 
> > > > we can use now and with pleasure if you use it well.
> > > > 
> > > > Then what they go to find out more.I keep silent!I will see.
> > > > Christina
> > > > 
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Trouble is Christina, I don't trust NASA
> > > > > Cass
> > > > > 
> > > > > christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > For people want to know more see: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Slides 8x8 made by Hasselblatt camera by Armstrong or Aldin.
> > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4205/ch14-
4.html
> > > > > 
> > > > > From there you can f ind a lot of stuff they give for 
seeing.
> > > > > Most pictures are made by 
> > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/apollo/welcome.html
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.ksc.nasa.gov/history/apollo/apollo.html
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/Apollo204/
crew.html
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/Apollo204/
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4204/cover.html
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4214/cover.html
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-4205/cover.html
> > > > > 
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