Theos-Talk Archives (November 2007 Message tt00257)

Hi Frank


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From: Frank Reitemeyer <dzyan@online.de>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:53:31 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Recreating TS History

>Are you telling me that there are 75 million chinese refugees in Europe?

No. I was telling you from foreign races in Europe.
Most of them are Africans and Turks and Arabs.

> If Germany had taken over the world would we all be speaking German now?

Hard to answer in the if-when style, but probably not, because language is 
an expression of the soul.
Do speak German one needs to think German.
Cass:  Language for me is about communication and expressing one's opinion to self and others.  Broadly speaking it may express a soul's insight through words but it is more a functional necessity for our mentality.

The result of the foreign rule and the Orwellian thinking is that more and 
more Germans cannot understand German.
Cass:  I don't get the connection.  Are you referring to Old German v Modern German?

I just had a talk with an academic about an average German book of the 
beginning of the 20th century.
She was not able to understand the idealistic style, as she was raised in 
school and university in the materialistic way as you knwo from the 
anglo-saxony world.
Cass:  We have no trouble understanding Nietzsche, Ibsen, Brecht, so why the problem in Germany?

>Chinese keep to themselves and are no bother whatsoever.

The Chinese were an example for me to understand my former argument of 
destroyed original cultures, which you seemed not to understand well.
So now you play on the Chinese as if I want to talk about Chinese.
Cass: My Chinese history is not so good, but like all cultures, they reach their pinnacle and then decay.  I think they are having a bit of a renaissance right now by marching into the technological age.  The sleeping dragon has awoken and its hungry!

>If it is the Arabs that are raping it is because of their repressed 
>sexuality and their nonsense religion. Do the same as we do to other 
>rapists, catch them and lock them up.

A very racist point of view.
Cass: How is this racist?  I was not saying only Arabs rape, but in response to your claim that the streets are not safe because of the Arabs, then, if this be the case, they should be treated as every other rapist. Personally I believe the punishment for rape should be to Eunich them.

>They can't all be rapists Frank, just as not all germans were not nazis. I 
>think perhaps you are blaming all for the acts of the few.

And I think you have no idea of the social live conditions here, even if I 
try it to explain to you.
Cass:So you are saying Frank that Germany the Motherland that nearly conquered the world are unable to sort out a few arabs or africans?  I believe the way we do it here is that Australian Citizenship is not available for 4 years, they must pass a social historical exam concerning australia's history and political leaders, and they must have a working knowledge of English.  If in that 4 years they commit a crime, I believe that they are then deported, after Australian Citizenship, if they commit a crime, they go to prison like everyone else.

I cannot that what I am or what I am not, because of lack of definition when 
someone is a nazi or not.
Cass: My definition is, a Nazi is a misguided jew hater with a superiority complex (probably stemming from an inferiority complex)

I have seems newspaper reports calling Russians who want not give over their land to foreign powers are now called nazis too.
Cass:  I thought the Russians couldn't own land after Stalin but merely worked it.    Aren't the foreign powers coming into their country to steal their land the Nazis?  I can't see how Putin would be OK to selling off Russia to anyone.  There is already trouble on the Russian/Chinese border.

>I think it is sad when a society fears walking its own streets, thank 
>goodness, it hasnt occured here.

This is what I have tried to explain you after you jubliation abou 
tmulticulturalism.
Cass: Multi-culturalism takes time, like I said, usually two generations. Here we had the Irish and English first, then the Chinese (for the gold fields), then the jews, the mass immigration in the 50's of Greeks and Italians and some Turks,then the Germans came, followed by Eastern Europeans, then the Lebanese,then the Vietnamese, then the Sudanese and now the Arabs.  
All these cultures, other than the Arabs, more or less shared a similar religious belief, so there religion was tolerated, although at the time, not much else was.  The Arabs now have their own communities, their own mosques and their own schools.  Other than the odd moronic Mukti's and a few younger males they have been peaceful and have assimiliated reasonably well, but they still hold on to their old customs, as did the others, until their children and their children's children intermarried.

Many are attacked here from aggressive Turks, Arabs, Poland and Russians.
It is enough when you are sitting in bus and subway and look with open eyes.
Then they come, hit you and provoke: "Want problems?"

The results is that the German minority in the subway fears to look straight 
ahead.
Some weaks ago a wild young Turk ahd the plan to push someone with inrun out 
of the starting subway.
Although it was long after midnight and I was tired, my inner voice came 
through and cried to me:
"Frank, leave this corner!" A lady took my place.
Some seconds later the inrunning Turk pushed her with all his power out of 
the starting subway.
The lady was very fat (or she was too short for her weight, to be 
politically correct) and heavy and she was able to claw at the half closed 
door.
I think I would have been a better victim.
Cass:  Perhaps you need to have citizen groups who monitor these trains and buses.  I think the Americans did it, didn't they, when they had problems in their transport system.

What do you tell a supermarket cashier, which has already three times 
forayed this year by Turkish gangs and who can only with sleeping pills, so 
far as her foreign neighbours (she earns not enough money to move to a 
better quarter) which make terror all night long (the police fears to come 
if you phone them) are so gentle and have longer low noise periods?
Cass:  The Police here would work with the leaders of those communities to ensure that the communities themselves ensured this behaviour stopped.

What do you think will she say about the advantage of multiculturalism?
You are right, she will say nothing and suffer silently because she will not 
be outed as a nazi from the ruling communist class, which live in high class 
quarters without foreigners.
Cass: Then nothing will change Frank, if anything it will escalate.  

After reading your postings I should meditate about a move to Australia.
Seems it is a more silent place as Germany.
How much would the Australian goverment pay for German immigrant like me.
Cass:  You would have to contact the Australian Commission in Germany but if you have a skill that is required here, you would probably get approval.  If you are retired, it would be more difficult, as you would be required to be financially secure as the government would not be able to place you on our social services.  You would be able to support yourself on $1500 per month, provided you had your own accommodation.  Rents here vary from $150 a week in country areas to $750 a week in the heart of the City.  You have probably left your run too late.
As a theosophist I have no high demands. Can you live from USD$ 1,500 a 
month?
And what size may an apartment for an immigrant like we have (I ask because 
of my theosophical library).?
Cass: As I said, apartments can be expensive.  Most are two bedrooms,sitting room, kitchen, laundry, bathroom, and dining room.  There are plenty of houses for rent with anything from 3 - 5 bedrooms but they can start at $300 per week.  The TS in Melbourne have a facility where retired Theosophists can live for a minimal rent, but I guess the preference would go to those that have been members for a number of years.

Cass
Thanks,
Frank





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