Theos-Talk Archives (November 2007 Message tt00243)

Yes it does, has anybody wrote it does not???

There are more consciousnesses in my way of thinking.
Fr Gr Christina











--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@...> wrote:
>
> I thought this might be of interest to theosophy students or 
others  
> interested in understanding consciousness, mind and brain.
> 
> > From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@...>
> > Date: November 24, 2007 8:16:41 PM EST
> > To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Mind and Brain] Holistic Awareness
> >
> >
> > On Nov 21, 2007, at 11/21/0710:55 AM, Keith Turausky wrote:
> >
> >> Leon wrote:
> >>
> >> "As I see it, consciousness is a fundamental aspect of absolute  
> >> SPACE that underlies all configuration space-time.  Therefore, 
it  
> >> arises simultaneously out of that SPACE (which is now 
everywhere  
> >> at the zero-point origin of ZPE in the Planck vacuum) along 
with  
> >> matter-energy fields... Thus, explaining the non locality of  
> >> sensation anywhere in the body (like pain felt at the tip of a  
> >> finger)..."
> >>
> >> How does the conclusion follow from the premises?
> >
> > LM:
> > If consciousness is at the origin of the ZPE fields that 
generate  
> > and energize all the fundamental particles, it is also at the 
zero- 
> > point center of the fields that similarly permeate and surround  
> > each cell of the body.  Therefore, since we actually experience 
the  
> > pain of a burn at the actual 3-D location of the damaged cells 
at  
> > the end of a finger -- the premises imply the conclusion that  
> > potential consciousness is a non-local quality of the zero-point 
at  
> > the center of all information carrying electrodynamic fields...  
> > Beginning with the highest order fractally involved ZPE fields 
in  
> > Planck space, and extending through the particle, atomic, and  
> > molecular fields, to the analogous EM fields of the cellular  
> > structures themselves.
> >
> > It's the *entanglement* of all those inherently conscious zero- 
> > points of absolute SPACE (within the limit of the overall 
highest  
> > order metaphysical field surrounding the body and centered in 
the  
> > naval) <http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Chakrafielddiag- 
> > fig.col.jpg> that enables the global "I am" self reflected  
> > awareness to simultaneously experience, and holographically 
locate  
> > the remote perception of pain... So as to initiate (with the 
help  
> > of the memory field and brain processing) a delayed intention to  
> > relieve the remote blister with some ointment and a bandage. ;-)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Nov 17, 2007 10:37 PM, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@...> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Nov 17, 2007, at 11/17/0712:46 PM, Laurent Duchesne wrote:
> >>
> >>> --- In MindBrain@yahoogroups.com, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@>  
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> <Snip>
> >>>
> >>>> Please explain how "most physicists" and the "standard model"  
> >>>> *prove*
> >>>> that all the energy of the universe wasn't present at the 
moment  
> >>>> of its emergence?  And why thermodynamics doesn't tell us how  
> >>>> much energy is being used in any system in relation to the 
whole?
> >>>>
> >>>> The only thing that could be false in that statement is that 
the
> >>>> parts "sense" the energy... Implying that matter creates
> >>>> consciousness, and therefore, precedes mind -- as previously  
> >>>> claimed by Laurent...
> >>>
> >>> Right, that term is problematic, lets than say 'registers'. OK? 
I
> >>> don't know why people find it problematic... what do sensors on 
an
> >>> engine do? They sense, right?
> >>
> >> Yes.  But in the context of consciousness study, the term 
"sense"  
> >> could be nisconstrued to mean that the matter (or the machine ) 
is  
> >> conscious in itself... Which would be false -- since there is 
no  
> >> scientific evidence that consciousness (awareness, will, 
qualia,  
> >> etc.) is an epiphenomena of matter, or even emerges from the  
> >> complexity of the brain's neurology.
> >>
> >> As I see it, consciousness is a fundamental aspect of absolute  
> >> SPACE that underlies all configuration space-time.  Therefore, 
it  
> >> arises simultaneously out of that SPACE (which is now 
everywhere  
> >> at the zero-point origin of ZPE in the Planck vacuum) along 
with  
> >> matter-energy fields... Thus, explaining the non locality of  
> >> sensation anywhere in the body (like pain felt at the tip of a  
> >> finger)... And also, explaining the separate location in 
spacetime  
> >> of individual *self-reflected* awareness, and *self generated*  
> >> will in all living or sentient beings... Including single 
celled  
> >> organisms that *know* (or sense) in which direction the light 
or  
> >> heat is coming from -- so they can, consciously, either turn  
> >> toward or away from it.
> >>
> >> The difference between the phenomenal consciousness of those  
> >> simpler beings and humans or higher animals, is that, without  
> >> awakened higher order mind-memory fields in conjunction with  
> >> developed brain stems and associated neurology, they have no 
free  
> >> will or reasoning power...  Although these are subtle 
distinctions  
> >> between different species along the chain of evolution.  
However,  
> >> in all cases, subjective consciousness itself would be  
> >> identical... While being latent in lifeless or inorganic matter  
> >> forms -- down to the smallest particle.
> >>
> >> This view, including the cosmogenesis of the initial higher 
order  
> >> (spiritual, mental, astral) fields of matter energy and their  
> >> involution and evolution into the holographically conscious  
> >> universe is thoroughly explained by the ABC theory... Ref; my  
> >> previous posts and the following web sites and illustrations:
> >> http://www.tellworld.com/Astro.Biological.Coenergetics/
> >> http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/ 
> >> chakrafield.html
> >> http://members.aol.com/leonmaurer/Chakrafield-spherical-col_3.jpg
> >> http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Fract-Exp-Lt-Dk-matter-text.png
> >>
> >> As for the ultimate *meaning* behind it all -- based on the  
> >> brain's neurology, coupled with the fractal mathematics,  
> >> dichotomies, symmetries, asymmetries etc., rooted in the  
> >> fundamental infinite spin-momentum of absolute SPACE at the 
primal  
> >> beginning -- refer to the IDM concepts of Chris Lofting.   
> >> Together, these interrelated bottom up ontological and top down  
> >> epistemological views, along with the new physics based on E8 
(Lie  
> >> Algebra) of Garret Lisi, should be able to constitute a 
complete  
> >> Unified Field Theory of Everything. ;-)
> >> (Although I'm not so sure if Lisi's theory is really as 
complete  
> >> as all the hype says it is;-)
> >>
> >> Leon Maurer
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