Theos-Talk Archives (November 2007 Message tt00188)

Hi Frank
As far as I can tell Svabhaba has nothing to do with people's right to develop their own genius.  For me Svabhaba are natural laws and I can find no comment by Purucker on race intermingling, but I will keep looking.  I have read that evolved souls will often incarnate into less evolved communities in order to speed up their evolution.  An Einstein would never be drawn to a tasmanian aboriginal or vice versa.  They exist in two different realities, just as we must seem like inadequate vehicles for 6th or 7th root races.  I cannot find anything that suggests Aryans should not intermix.  e.g. a Hindu with a Celt, or an Iranian with a Teuton.  It would be pointless mixing with 4th root races, say the Mongolians unless it was done out of a sympathetic vibration to speed their evolution.
Cass
(Sanskrit) A compound word derived from the verb-root bhu, meaning "to become" -- not so much "to be" in the passive sense, but rather "to become," to "grow into" something. The quasi-pronominal prefix sva, means "self"; hence the noun means "self-becoming," "self-generation," "self-growing" into something. Yet the essential or fundamental or integral Self, although following continuously its own lofty line of evolution, cannot be said to suffer the changes or phases that its vehicles undergo. Like the monads, like the One, thus the Self fundamental -- which, after all, is virtually the same as the one monadic essence -- sends down a ray from itself into every organic entity, much as the sun sends a ray from itself into the surrounding "darkness" of the solar universe. 
Svabhava has two general philosophical meanings: first, self-begetting, self-generation, self-becoming, the general idea being that there is no merely mechanical or soulless activity of nature in bringing us into being, for we brought ourselves forth, in and through and by nature, of which we are a part of the conscious forces, and therefore are our own children. The second meaning is that each and every entity that exists is the result of what he actually is spiritually in his own higher nature: he brings forth that which he is in himself interiorly, nothing else. A particular race, for instance, remains and is that race as long as the particular race-svabhava remains in the racial seed and manifests thus. Likewise is the case the same with a man, a tree, a star, a god -- what not! 
What makes a rose bring forth a rose always and not thistles or daisies or pansies? The answer is very simple; very profound, however. It is because of its svabhava, the essential nature in and of the seed. Its svabhava can bring forth only that which itself is, its essential characteristic, its own inner nature. Svabhava, in short, may be called the essential individuality of any monad, expressing its own characteristics, qualities, and type, by self-urged evolution. 
The seed can produce nothing but what it itself is, what is in it; and this is the heart and essence of the doctrine of svabhava. The philosophical, scientific, and religious reach of this doctrine is simply immense; and it is of the first importance. Consequently, each individual svabhava brings forth and expresses as its own particular vehicles its various svarupas, signifying characteristic bodies or images or forms. The svabhava of a dog, for instance, brings forth the dog body. The svabhava of a rose brings forth the rose flower; the svabhava of a man brings forth man's shape or image; and the svabhava of a divinity or god brings forth its own svarupa or characteristic vehicle. 


----- Original Message ----
From: Frank Reitemeyer <dzyan@online.de>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:01:27 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World first rule of TS


Mmmh, it's difficult to see the connection between svabhava and the 
Windsors.
If I understand my Purucker correct, race intermixing is not supported at 
this time by theosophy.

Is it possible that different theosophical groups come to other conclusions?
Frank

On 11/21/07, Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> How many geniuses have sprung from the pure blood line of the Windsors,
> Frank? Pure blood lines produce more idiots than geniuses.
>
> Cass
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: christinaleestemake r 
> <christinaleestemake r@yahoo.com<christinaleestemak er%40yahoo. com>
> >
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 12:18:36 PM
> Subject: Theos-World first rule of TS
>
> I think you understand me wrong!!!
> There must not be any discrimination.
>
> Tat Tvam Asi
>
> Christina
>
> -- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" <dzyan@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > What about the doctrine of svabhava in that connection?
> > Has not every people the right to develop its own genius?
> >
> > Does the frst aim support multiculturalism and therefore the
> destruction of
> > all peoples (except one people?)?
> > Does it support to enkindle civil wars to become great masses of
> refugees
> > and human trafficking and gain profits from it?
> >
> > What does a nation which is threated with foreign rule?
> > Say, Australia would be forced to let 60 million Chinese into the
> land and
> > the Australians would become the minority?
> > Frank
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: christinaleestemake r
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:00 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Recreating TS History
> >
> >
> > Here you pointed out it very clear
> >
> > by the way one of the rules( first) seems to be the universal
> > brotherhood, no distinction of race,colour, believe, sexe and caste.
> >
> > or whatever more.
> >
> > Christina
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "M K Ramadoss" <mkr777@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It brings a very interesting incident I witnessed. One of my
> > friends who is
> > > white had kids in elementary school. These kids have no idea about
> > color and
> > > discrimination. The school discussed about Martin Luther King Day
> > and one
> > > of the kids came home wanted to find out what is going on because
> > the kid
> > > was confused and could not comprehend anything about color and
> > > discrimination. What this indicates is, children in their natural
> > state have
> > > no idea about color and it is the adults and the society which
> > indoctrinates
> > > them about the discriminating issues. Hope in the next generation
> > the
> > > society will be better off.
> > >
> > > By the way, in the USA, I have personally witnessed even those
> > exposed to
> > > theosophy, have unconsciously fallen into discriminating against
> > those who
> > > do not look like themselves and it is the same people who aspire
> to
> > one day
> > > become an Initiate. So the basic problem is with the human nature
> > itself.
> > > Most like those who are like ourselves.
> > >
> > > mkr
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11/21/07, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The thing is Adelasie, God is bisexual and half black and half
> > white. If
> > > > the discriminators realised this they would have no leg to stand
> > on. Why is
> > > > it that discrimination still rears its ugly head in the US, we
> > too, in
> > > > Australia, are multi-cultural and discrimination occurs only in
> > about 1
> > > > percent of the population. The other 99 percent couldn't give a
> > rats doodle
> > > > about what colour or religion one practices, provided it is not
> > forced down
> > > > any one elses throat.
> > > > Ironically, I believe it is the christian majority that causes
> > all the
> > > > racial problems in the US.
> > > >
> > > > Cass
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > From: adelasie <adelasie@ <adelasie%40sbcglob al.net>>
> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:07:01 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Recreating TS History
> > > >
> > > > a burned one what? God? This joke seems to be pretty "new age
> > > > american." Black people, Africans, slaves in the USA until a
> > hundred
> > > > years ago, are still the victims of discrimination, sometimes
> to a
> > > > severe degree. And women, well, they are second class citizens
> the
> > > > world over. But here in the USA it's been a joke for some time
> > that
> > > > God is "really" a woman. A sort of ultimate women's liberation
> > punch
> > > > line.
> > > >
> > > > On 21 Nov 2007 at 14:34, christinaleestemake r wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > a burned one looks also black !!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Konstantin
> > > > > Zaitzev" <kay_ziatz@ ..> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "M K Ramadoss" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > in high spirits as he went to Lord's abode. After some
> time,
> > > > > > > Pope came back looking like a ghost. Peter asked him what
> > > > > happened.
> > > > > > > Pope replied "She is a Black".*
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's because the name "Krishna", as some people say, can
> be
> > > > > > translated as "black".
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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