Theos-Talk Archives (November 2007 Message tt00139)

of course   the one is spiritual, because it will not survive flames.
written in SD 87  Stanza 1v.

But Cass asked for what races there are in white horses.

Christina











--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@... wrote:
>
> Christina,
>   Hmmm, isn't it also possible that the "Horse" as "Vehicle" of the 
"Final Avatar" is spiritual and would be the Purusha as the final 
consumation ofthe Cycle?
> 
> John
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@...> 
> -Lipizzaner, the beauties from Slovenia are the best for drilling 
or 
> training.
> Then there are Andalusian and Berber horses.
> That are the three races have totally white body.
> Christina
> 
> -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@> wrote:
> >
> > Come to think of it Christina I have not seen many white race 
> horses! They certainly would stand out in the crowd.!
> > Cass
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@>
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:59:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Recreating TS History
> > 
> > Cass are white horses a race?????
> > I only know they are not as dangerous as black arabs.
> > Christina
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ ...> 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I was referring to a horse race! Thought I might put a small 
> wager 
> > on it.
> > > Cass
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: "Drpsionic@ .." <Drpsionic@ ..>
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:59:12 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Recreating TS History
> > > 
> > > 
> > > And if he's like all the others he'll fall off of it.
> > > 
> > > Chuck the Heretic
> > > 
> > > http://www.geocitie s.com/c_cosimano 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@ yahoo. com>
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > > Sent: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 4:47 pm
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Recreating TS History
> > > 
> > > Which race?
> > > Cass
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: christinaleestemake r <christinaleestemak e r@yahoo.com>
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:00:41 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Recreating TS History
> > > 
> > > Next avantar is coming on a white horse!!!
> > > 
> > > Christ in a
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" <dzyan@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > At the infantile and idiotic Adyar covent in Berlin in 2002 
> (100th
> > > > Anniversary of the German section) it was claimed at a poster 
> > wall 
> > > that
> > > > Leadbeater was President of the TS.
> > > > 
> > > > A clairvoyant lecturer - she writes books about her 
encounters 
> > > with the
> > > > Masters - revealed that all the Masters (she named: Morya, 
> > > Koothoomi,
> > > > Blavatsky, Krishnamurti, Hilarion and a few others - I have 
> > > written a memo,
> > > > but writing now from memory) were present. They nodded from 
the 
> > > ceiling.
> > > > 
> > > > Wow, was that a harmonious and brotherly event!
> > > > With only myself present for the dark side of the moon!
> > > > 
> > > > Frank the Galactic Emperor
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: gregory@
> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 9:44 PM
> > > > Subject: Theos-World Recrating TS History
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The website of the TS in Australia recently published 
material 
> on 
> > > the
> > > > Amphitheatre constructed on Sydney Habour as part of the 
> > > preparation for
> > > > the Coming of the World Teacher. Both the preamble to a 
letter 
> > > sent to the
> > > > "Sydney Morning Herald", and the letter from the National 
> > > President of the
> > > > TS in Australia, are excellent examples of attempts at the re-
> > > creation of
> > > > Theosophical history. Perhaps Ms Oliveira was assisted in her 
> > > careful use
> > > > of language by her husband, Pedro Oliveira, a bishop of the 
> > Liberal
> > > > Catholic Church, who demonstrates similar verbal gymnastics 
on 
> > his 
> > > site
> > > > for the re-creation of Leadbeater's biography.
> > > > I have added a few historical corrections in parentheses, and 
> have
> > > > separated out the "Theosophy in Australia" comments and Ms 
> > > Oliveira's
> > > > claims to facilitate this.
> > > > 
> > > > Dr Gregory Tillett
> > > > 
> > > > "The Star Amphitheatre at Balmoral Beach in Sydney was the 
> vision 
> > > of Dr.
> > > > Mary Rocke, a prominent theosophical worker in Sydney in the 
> > > 1920s. She
> > > > purchased land and worked tirelessly to raise the money 
(through
> > > > donations) for its construction, which commenced in 1923 and 
> was 
> > > completed
> > > > a year later."
> > > > 
> > > > "The Star Amphitheatre had no connection at all with the 
> > > Theosophical
> > > > Society."
> > > > [Apart from the fact that all those associated with it were 
> > eminent
> > > > members of the TS, that the foundation stone was laid and 
> > > "consecrated" by
> > > > Leadbeater with Theosophist- Co-Masons enthusiastically 
> > > participating, that
> > > > it contained a Shrine Room for the ES of the TS, that TS 
> members 
> > > were
> > > > urged to contribute to the building of the Amphitheatre in TS
> > > > publications, etc, etc.]
> > > > 
> > > > "It was built by an organization known as The Order of the 
Star 
> > in 
> > > the
> > > > East (OSE) which had been formed in 1911 in Benares (now 
> > > Varanasi), India,
> > > > in order to support the work of J. Krishnamurti, especially 
in 
> his
> > > > prophesized role as the next 'World Teacher'."
> > > > [The OSE, presumably using this logic had nothing to do with 
> the 
> > > TS either
> > > > - apart from being headed by Besant and Leadbeater, who were 
> the 
> > > ones who
> > > > "prophesized" Krishnamurti' s World Teacher role, apart from 
> > having 
> > > in all
> > > > its senior positions senior members of the TS, apart from 
being 
> > > promoted
> > > > in "The Theosophist" and other TS journals, apart from 
holding 
> > its 
> > > meeting
> > > > in TS premises, apart from books promoting the Coming being 
> > > published by
> > > > the TPH, etc, etc.]
> > > > 
> > > > "In August 1929 Krishnamurti publicly renounced that role and 
> > > dissolved
> > > > the OSE."
> > > > [Not quite what Krishnamurti said..but he certainly did 
> dissolve 
> > > the OSE.]
> > > > "Over the decades since that time sections of the Australian 
> > press 
> > > have
> > > > repeated the story, based on the poetic licence of a 
journalist 
> > > for the
> > > > Truth - a newspaper that specialized in 'sensational news', 
that
> > > > Krishnamurti, in his role as World Teacher, was going to walk 
> on 
> > > water
> > > > through the Heads of Sydney Harbour before addressing a 
> gathering 
> > > of
> > > > followers at the amphitheatre! "
> > > > 
> > > > (Source: Theosophy in Australia, March 1989)
> > > > 
> > > > "We reproduce below the letter which the National President 
of 
> the
> > > > Theosophical Society in Australia, Linda Oliveira, sent to 
the 
> > > editor of
> > > > The Sydney Morning Herald about the old myth of Krishnamurti 
> > > 'walking on
> > > > the water'. Unfortunately the letter was not published."
> > > > 
> > > > "17 October 2007
> > > > "Balmoral Amphitheatre - The Facts
> > > > 
> > > > "The letter of 17 October from Tony Backhouse continues the 
> > > persistent,
> > > > incorrect and sensationalised myth regarding The Theosophical 
> > > Society
> > > > (TS), the Order of the Star in the East (OSE), the former 
> > Balmoral 
> > > Beach
> > > > amphitheatre and 'predictions' of a Messiah walking on water. 
> > This 
> > > is
> > > > based on a serious misunderstanding. Here are some facts."
> > > > 
> > > > "The TS and the OSE were very separate organisations. "
> > > > [apart from the facts that..see comments above..]
> > > > 
> > > > "The TS, formed in 1875, still exists as a world-wide 
> > organisation 
> > > today.
> > > > Its members are united by a common search and aspiration for 
> > truth 
> > > in
> > > > their lives."
> > > > 
> > > > "The OSE was founded to promote the work of J. Krishnamurti 
and 
> > was
> > > > disbanded in 1929. However, its supporters and organisers 
> included
> > > > individuals from both organisations thus leading to a 
> > > misunderstanding of
> > > > the role of the TS. J. Krishnamurti was, for a time, a member 
> of 
> > > the TS."
> > > > [The OSE was founded by leaders of the TS - Besant, 
Leadbeater, 
> > > Arundale -
> > > > unless Ms Oliveira can name anyone of significance in the OSE 
> who 
> > > was not
> > > > also a major player in the TS? The "supporters and 
organisers" 
> > and 
> > > the OSE
> > > > did not "include" some members of the TS: the vast majority 
of 
> > its 
> > > members
> > > > were also members of the TS.]
> > > > 
> > > > "The amphitheatre was built with private funds to provide a 
> venue 
> > > for the
> > > > teachings of J. Krishnamurti, who some saw as a future World 
> > > Teacher."
> > > > [Perhaps it might be mentioned that the "some" who saw 
> > > Krishnamurti as a
> > > > "future World Teacher" include the then President of the TS 
and 
> > OH 
> > > of the
> > > > ES, Annie Besant, along with every leading figure in the TS - 
> like
> > > > Leadbeater, Jinarajadasa, Arundale, Ernest Wood, J.I. 
Wedgwood 
> - 
> > > who
> > > > published their claims in "The Theosophist" and almost every 
> > other 
> > > TS
> > > > journal, and gave public lectures promoting them?]
> > > > 
> > > > "There was never any suggestion that he would "walk on water 
> > > through
> > > > Sydney Heads". As far as is known he gave only one lecture in 
> the
> > > > amphitheatre. "
> > > > 
> > > > "It is important to emphasise that The TS, as an 
organisation, 
> > > since its
> > > > early days has subscribed to no Messiahs and has no formal 
> > > affiliation
> > > > with any other organisations. Also, the TS has no ideology 
> which 
> > is
> > > > binding on any member."
> > > > [Apart, perhaps, from "The Basic Truths of Religion" agreed 
> upon 
> > > by the
> > > > General Council of he TS on December 23, 1925 - and presumably
> > > > subsequently repudiated - which included the statement: "The 
> Wold 
> > > Religion
> > > > will thus help in preparing the way for the Coming of the 
World-
> > > Teacher,
> > > > who shall give to the Basic Truths the form suited to the age 
> He 
> > > will open
> > > > - the Age of Brotherhood. "]
> > > > 
> > > > "Linda Oliveira
> > > > National President, Theosophical Society in Australia"
> > > >
> > > 
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