Theos-Talk Archives (November 2007 Message tt00115)

*Good question.*
**
*Reminds me of the joke about Pope and the Lord.*
*Pope died and was met by Peter at the entrance to Heaven.*
*Peter asked Pope if he has any wish before he enters Heaven for good.*
*Pope wanted to meet the Lord. Peter discourged his saying it is a very
sensitive matter and he would not advise Pope to meet the Lord. Pope was
insistent. Peter gave him the directions to Lord's abode. Pope was in high
spirits as he went to Lord's abode. After some time, Pope came back looking
like a ghost. Peter asked him what happened. Pope replied "She is a Black".*
**
*So now we have some idea about the answer to Cass' question.*

mkr

PS: Joke is not mine. It was borrowed.

On 11/19/07, Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   Which race?
> Cass
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com<christinaleestemaker%40yahoo.com>
> >
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:00:41 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Recreating TS History
>
> Next avantar is coming on a white horse!!!
>
> Christ in a
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" <dzyan@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > At the infantile and idiotic Adyar covent in Berlin in 2002 (100th
> > Anniversary of the German section) it was claimed at a poster wall
> that
> > Leadbeater was President of the TS.
> >
> > A clairvoyant lecturer - she writes books about her encounters
> with the
> > Masters - revealed that all the Masters (she named: Morya,
> Koothoomi,
> > Blavatsky, Krishnamurti, Hilarion and a few others - I have
> written a memo,
> > but writing now from memory) were present. They nodded from the
> ceiling.
> >
> > Wow, was that a harmonious and brotherly event!
> > With only myself present for the dark side of the moon!
> >
> > Frank the Galactic Emperor
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: gregory@...
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 9:44 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Recrating TS History
> >
> >
> > The website of the TS in Australia recently published material on
> the
> > Amphitheatre constructed on Sydney Habour as part of the
> preparation for
> > the Coming of the World Teacher. Both the preamble to a letter
> sent to the
> > "Sydney Morning Herald", and the letter from the National
> President of the
> > TS in Australia, are excellent examples of attempts at the re-
> creation of
> > Theosophical history. Perhaps Ms Oliveira was assisted in her
> careful use
> > of language by her husband, Pedro Oliveira, a bishop of the Liberal
> > Catholic Church, who demonstrates similar verbal gymnastics on his
> site
> > for the re-creation of Leadbeater's biography.
> > I have added a few historical corrections in parentheses, and have
> > separated out the "Theosophy in Australia" comments and Ms
> Oliveira's
> > claims to facilitate this.
> >
> > Dr Gregory Tillett
> >
> > "The Star Amphitheatre at Balmoral Beach in Sydney was the vision
> of Dr.
> > Mary Rocke, a prominent theosophical worker in Sydney in the
> 1920s. She
> > purchased land and worked tirelessly to raise the money (through
> > donations) for its construction, which commenced in 1923 and was
> completed
> > a year later."
> >
> > "The Star Amphitheatre had no connection at all with the
> Theosophical
> > Society."
> > [Apart from the fact that all those associated with it were eminent
> > members of the TS, that the foundation stone was laid and
> "consecrated" by
> > Leadbeater with Theosophist- Co-Masons enthusiastically
> participating, that
> > it contained a Shrine Room for the ES of the TS, that TS members
> were
> > urged to contribute to the building of the Amphitheatre in TS
> > publications, etc, etc.]
> >
> > "It was built by an organization known as The Order of the Star in
> the
> > East (OSE) which had been formed in 1911 in Benares (now
> Varanasi), India,
> > in order to support the work of J. Krishnamurti, especially in his
> > prophesized role as the next 'World Teacher'."
> > [The OSE, presumably using this logic had nothing to do with the
> TS either
> > - apart from being headed by Besant and Leadbeater, who were the
> ones who
> > "prophesized" Krishnamurti' s World Teacher role, apart from having
> in all
> > its senior positions senior members of the TS, apart from being
> promoted
> > in "The Theosophist" and other TS journals, apart from holding its
> meeting
> > in TS premises, apart from books promoting the Coming being
> published by
> > the TPH, etc, etc.]
> >
> > "In August 1929 Krishnamurti publicly renounced that role and
> dissolved
> > the OSE."
> > [Not quite what Krishnamurti said..but he certainly did dissolve
> the OSE.]
> > "Over the decades since that time sections of the Australian press
> have
> > repeated the story, based on the poetic licence of a journalist
> for the
> > Truth - a newspaper that specialized in 'sensational news', that
> > Krishnamurti, in his role as World Teacher, was going to walk on
> water
> > through the Heads of Sydney Harbour before addressing a gathering
> of
> > followers at the amphitheatre! "
> >
> > (Source: Theosophy in Australia, March 1989)
> >
> > "We reproduce below the letter which the National President of the
> > Theosophical Society in Australia, Linda Oliveira, sent to the
> editor of
> > The Sydney Morning Herald about the old myth of Krishnamurti
> 'walking on
> > the water'. Unfortunately the letter was not published."
> >
> > "17 October 2007
> > "Balmoral Amphitheatre - The Facts
> >
> > "The letter of 17 October from Tony Backhouse continues the
> persistent,
> > incorrect and sensationalised myth regarding The Theosophical
> Society
> > (TS), the Order of the Star in the East (OSE), the former Balmoral
> Beach
> > amphitheatre and 'predictions' of a Messiah walking on water. This
> is
> > based on a serious misunderstanding. Here are some facts."
> >
> > "The TS and the OSE were very separate organisations. "
> > [apart from the facts that..see comments above..]
> >
> > "The TS, formed in 1875, still exists as a world-wide organisation
> today.
> > Its members are united by a common search and aspiration for truth
> in
> > their lives."
> >
> > "The OSE was founded to promote the work of J. Krishnamurti and was
> > disbanded in 1929. However, its supporters and organisers included
> > individuals from both organisations thus leading to a
> misunderstanding of
> > the role of the TS. J. Krishnamurti was, for a time, a member of
> the TS."
> > [The OSE was founded by leaders of the TS - Besant, Leadbeater,
> Arundale -
> > unless Ms Oliveira can name anyone of significance in the OSE who
> was not
> > also a major player in the TS? The "supporters and organisers" and
> the OSE
> > did not "include" some members of the TS: the vast majority of its
> members
> > were also members of the TS.]
> >
> > "The amphitheatre was built with private funds to provide a venue
> for the
> > teachings of J. Krishnamurti, who some saw as a future World
> Teacher."
> > [Perhaps it might be mentioned that the "some" who saw
> Krishnamurti as a
> > "future World Teacher" include the then President of the TS and OH
> of the
> > ES, Annie Besant, along with every leading figure in the TS - like
> > Leadbeater, Jinarajadasa, Arundale, Ernest Wood, J.I. Wedgwood -
> who
> > published their claims in "The Theosophist" and almost every other
> TS
> > journal, and gave public lectures promoting them?]
> >
> > "There was never any suggestion that he would "walk on water
> through
> > Sydney Heads". As far as is known he gave only one lecture in the
> > amphitheatre. "
> >
> > "It is important to emphasise that The TS, as an organisation,
> since its
> > early days has subscribed to no Messiahs and has no formal
> affiliation
> > with any other organisations. Also, the TS has no ideology which is
> > binding on any member."
> > [Apart, perhaps, from "The Basic Truths of Religion" agreed upon
> by the
> > General Council of he TS on December 23, 1925 - and presumably
> > subsequently repudiated - which included the statement: "The Wold
> Religion
> > will thus help in preparing the way for the Coming of the World-
> Teacher,
> > who shall give to the Basic Truths the form suited to the age He
> will open
> > - the Age of Brotherhood. "]
> >
> > "Linda Oliveira
> > National President, Theosophical Society in Australia"
> >
>
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