Theos-Talk Archives (September 2007 Message tt00166)

opetha,
   Thanks for your comments and link. I remembered a website I had saved a while back and was going to post it when something in the same family was posted. So here is a website that has an Astrological Birth Chart for Madame Blavatsky , I recall someone here has wondered if there was onee around:

http://www.fr/en/portraits/7t8gDJMa77a7.htm

Maybe you being an Astrologer might comments on it,

Thanks,
John


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From: "opetha" <opetha@yahoo.ca> 
Hello be it,

Regarding Karma, I am still surprised how may people fail to use 
astrology to analyse these things. Apart from the books mentioned, 
which I think may deal more with the spiritual side of reincarnation, 
I would recommend Nicolas Campion's BOOK OF WORLD HOROSCOPES or 
simply going to 

http://members.tripod.com/tra_nations/a_index_nations.htm

Once you have the horoscope of the nation to be questioend move those 
static planets 1/365 of their normal speed and you'll see new aspects 
being formed, this is the "ideation" behind collective attitudes and 
events of the nations. For instance, USA and UK have bad aspects 
drawn up between Venus and the Sun which shows the current "spoilt" 
attitudes to sex, pornography and fashion as is used in the media.

For UK this bad Karma will wear its debt down and burn off for AD 
2033. For the USA this Karma is getting more troublesome and will be 
remarked about AD 2018. You can look into any nation and treat it 
similarly as human. Iraq I guess would have some interesting 
statistics too.

I would add a book called ENANTIODROME to be released next year by 
Godo Larner, this is more a psychoanalytic approach to Horoscopy-
Karma but is has a good cultural study. 

But why is it that nations have Karma? I understand the horoscope to 
be the symbol of totality, the centre being Atma and the peripheral 
planets the skandas and aggregates of the repesent life. The USA was 
born on July 4th 1776, but who or what reincarnated with a Karma that 
is punished with temptation these days?

Karma is a two edged sword as I understand, you have Parabdha Karma 
and Kriyamena Karma. The one is the seeds of the past life that had 
been placed in your mother's womb and has shaped your life and even 
physiology. Kriyamena Karma is created now and appears altruistic 
because we wont read it until the next life, Once we die and 
Prarabhda Karma has exhausted itself, Kriamena Karma will now 
transform to Parabdha Karma and enter a new womb. Both Parabdha and 
Kriyamena can be positive or negative.

Collectively what Kriyamena Karma can a nation create? (I mean as a 
body of people). First of all everyone has to agree on one objective 
before such virtue can be used by masses.....

Opetha. 

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
>
> Yes Krishnamurti says we must stop the warring within ourselves. 
Easier said than done when it comes to millions of people. How many 
of us have seriously challenged our own internal warfare? Jesus 
said, love one another, that hasn't helped. The Buddha said all life 
is suffering, well he got it right, but he should have added - for 
some. 
> 
> It can be done, as the Tibetans were changed from a warring 
nation to the most spiritually inclined nation in the world, but it 
took over 1500 years to do it.
> 
> Cass
> 
> Jayananda Hiranandani <professorjaya@...> wrote:
> Dear Readers:
> 
> Further to my earelier response, which is below, I wish to add that 
works of J. Krishnamurti are very interesting in this context.
> 
> Thanks.
> Jayananda H. Hiranandani
> 
> M K Ramadoss <mkr777@...> wrote:
> Many of us here have read them. Are there any answers to questions 
that come
> up in the context of current world situation?
> 
> mkr
> 
> On 9/20/07, Jayananda Hiranandani 
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Readers:
> >
> > The following books are worth reading. The titles are approximate 
but the
> > authors are, I believe, correct. They are:
> >
> > 1. "Theosophy Answers Some Questions" by Geoffrey Hodson
> > 2. "A Study in Karma" by Annie Besant
> > 3. "How Do We Remember Our past Lives" by C. Jinarajadasa
> >
> > Outside the theosophical literature, the works of Ann Ree Colton 
and Edgar
> > Cayce may be added. I have read a few by the former, and about 
the latter I
> > have heard from other people.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Jayananda H. Hiranandani
> >
> > M K Ramadoss > wrote:
> > We are exposed to the principles of Karma and Reincarnation and 
from time
> > to
> > time we think about it when we act or react in any situation we 
are faced
> > with.
> >
> > The world is watching the war that is going on in the Afghanistan 
and
> > Iraq.
> > Thanks for the modern technology; we are able to see live 
pictures of what
> > goes on in a war. In the past, we were able to read eyewitness 
accounts of
> > the action and some still pictures. For any sensitive person who 
sees the
> > live pictures on TV will be very much pained to see what is 
happening
> > unless
> > one is insensitive to all the horror.
> >
> > From a factual/statistical point of view:
> >
> > 1. Numerous buildings ? residences and commercial are destroyed by
> > bombs and firefight.
> > 2. Many young men and women have lost their lives causing a lot of
> > suffering to their kith and kin and the results are going to last 
a very
> > long time.
> > 3. Many young men and women have been seriously wounded ? losing 
their
> > limbs and disabling head injuries. Lifelong suffering will be 
faced by
> > them.
> > Again causing suffering to kith and kin.
> > 4. Several million have been displaced and are refugees from 
their own
> > countries. Most with no jobs and homeless living on government 
handouts.
> > 5. Several thousands have been killed, maimed.
> > 6. Countries infrastructure destroyed.
> >
> > The bottom line is ? war is causing a lot of pain and suffering 
to a very
> > large number of people.
> >
> > How does one view the above from a Karmic point of view.
> >
> > Is all the suffering due to repayment of Karmic Debts by those 
who are
> > facing pain & suffering?
> >
> > What are the Karmic consequences for those responsible for the 
destruction
> > and pain? Or are they just acting as the agents of Lords of Karma 
so that
> > they do not have to face any consequences?
> >
> > Since countries are involved, what are the national karmic 
consequences?
> > Do
> > we ? you and I going to pay for the national karma?
> >
> > For some of us who believe in Karma, what are our 
responsibilities and
> > what
> > we can do to minimize the pain and suffering?
> >
> > Etc. Etc.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Mkr
> >
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