Theos-Talk Archives (August 2007 Message tt00317)

Thanks for sharing John.  I have had a similar experience when for a split second I was totally unaware of my surroundings but I put this down to daydreaming.  I also had the experience when playing netball, once on the court, there were no spectators, no other players, no referees, there was just me and the ball.
   
  
Cass

Augoeides-222@comcast.net wrote:
          Cass,
Thanks for your comments and response. 

>>I think one would have to be an adept to totally detach the mind.<<

We differ here in our views, I have for many years reading the teachings that one can have the experience of one of the many forms of Samadhi simply by "Cognition," for instance that is taught in the Non-dual Siva' Krama School of Kashmir. There are many different "stages" of Samadhi. They are not all is if the heaven dropped on the person and all was arrived. But as I have previously here indicated it seems there is a need of exposure to the so important Eastern Teachings in order to amplify ,expand, give body and nourish the inner instincts of the West as they read Blavatsky and her writings. They are only a rough outline and to get at the heart of it it is an imperative to have eastern exposures of their teaching from which the Mahatma's drew the outline. In teachings on Samadhi the achievement of a proper state is conducive to experience of a higher consciousness. This is mediated by either a strong Cognition in a receptive state, or, by the quiessence of the senses and
 organs 
of perception. In the ancient Initiations one can see the the Veiled candidate before they have enlightenment. The veil is the conditioned mind and the state of corporal carnation. All Senior Primordial Authentic Real Beingness is present at each and every moment, nothing can be added to it by any action or process. It is already what we exist in, what is necessary is to lift the Veil of the mind and it presents Immediate to the candidate. However if there is the slightest movement of mind, even a single thought, the veil is worn once more. The perception is absent of time, nor is there anything to be found except the unity of self brilliance. Therevadin is the "Gradual School," "Mahayana is the "Sudden School" it means enlightenment can be sudden if the past merit, karma, cultivation, catharsis, and other factors provide receptivity and the "Ground" for reception. If you ever read the testimony of the Adepts of the various schools you can see what claims they communicate
 and how
they express about the state they experienced. 
One time many years ago in a Theosophical Lecture on the Nature of Purush and Prakrit in a hall full of other people sitting in wood chairs just like I was I was engrossed and captivated by the things being said by the Lecturer at some point something he said "hit the mark" and penetrated me really deep! I had a cognition so strong I pulled in my breath! And then -------------------------------------------------------- everything, the Lecturer, the people, the Hall, the building, the world was gone ------ in the blink of the eye! I was also gone! I was "Awareness!" Nothing more! Pure Awareness, no body at all. My awareness was in boundless white space that was neither hot not cold. It was Brilliant very very Brilliant, but it was not uncomfortable in any way, there was no sensation of it or the space itself. When I moved my mind by thinking of it I was instantly bounced into normal incarnate reality and back to my "normal" embodied state. But it was a transformation
 experience 
for me, I had a taste of what all that teaching was about that nothing can take away from me. In those days I had not yet found the Adwaita No-dual Teachings, when I did later I was going - uh huh- uh huh, yes ,yes a lot. So I may be receiving cat calls for telling you this but you asked and I tell truth as I know it. This was not astral at all, and it was not the end but only a beginning. Blavatsky many many many times told us to "TRY!"
Daniel posted some wonderful citation by Olcutt and Wilder that reveal that they tried, they went to lengths to find a way to "experience," to make the effort, to gain understanding, to expand awareness, to eat the food that creates a proper receptive ground for greater things and futures, waiting for the next lifetime is not the method, tarry not the light will not always be with you, this is the Kali Yug.

Best Regards,
John

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From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com> 
Hello John,
I think one would have to be an adept to totally detach the mind. Samadhi then is not unlike death, as the ego fears nothingness. Pushing the thoughts out is still mind directed, I guess it would be a state of complete silence and then somehow the 'space' is occupied by something else. Has anyone experienced Sadadhi and if so, what takes place when the mind is empty?

Cass

Augoeides-222@comcast.net wrote:
Cass,
I understand your view, I can be very much the same most of the time. You are right, the hand is empty and absent of tangibleness. That is the whole point of the exercise. It has been said to enter Samadhi the mind must be left at the doorstep. So, the Empty hand is a simile for the State of Being that is experienced in Samadhi and a simple way to demonstrate what cannot be grasped by either mind or hand is the Primordial Emptiness of Original Being that we all are. I answered this way because you asked about "emptiness of desire" in your previous post. It is only my personal view.

Best regards,
John

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From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com> 

Hi John
I think my blockage is that I want proof prior to real commitment, so this lifetime, I guess is about learning as much as I can from HPB in order that when I do get the proof I will understand, at least partially,the underlying nature of God (for want of a better term), ipso facto, me as part of humanity. 

What I need when I open and close my hand is proof that there is momentarily compacted space, otherwise all I get is 'nothing'. Maybe its Karma, who knows. 

Regards
Cass

Augoeides-222@comcast.net wrote:
Cass,
Thanks for Holmes Web site link, I will read in due time. Holmes may have said one should be "Empty" of desire but it is an established Tenet in all the Eastern Teaching Branches. Padmasambhava said this also as the Buddha did long before him. You can read much about Dukha or Clinging that is intimate to desire and the Gunas. Attachment is a fixation of conditioned mind, the Original Being is Empty but has Bythos of the Plenum. Reach out your hand, grasp the air, open your hand, look at your hand, what is in your hand? One cannot grasp or possess the True Space. What is it that is about you? My point of view only.
Regards,
John

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From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com> 
Hello John
I thought it was excellent also, I sent it to Leon hoping that he would verify his theory. Weren't the illustrations awe inspiring? I think I might get the book as he has been able to simplify many of those concepts for me. He also has a very good web site although I only briefly looked at it. I think it was Holmes that said that to access higher consciousness, the heart must be emptied of all desires?
http://www.zeropoint.ca/index.htm

Regards
Cass

Augoeides-222@comcast.net wrote:
Cass,
Thanks for giving this great link!!! Christopher Holmes in this video makes a wonderful presentation on Madame Blavatsky complete with Theosophical Emblems, I very much enjoyed listening to this 9 minute video! I noted on the right side-bar there are many other Videos on the ZPE Zero Point Energy alias the Laya Center Point of Theosophy. I might also insert that Radha had quite a bit to say about John Worrell Keely who also in arriving at his invention referred to "The Inter-Etheric Point," his description of the ZPE and Laya. In the Video they show three vertically oriented golden points, Keely postulated in his machine the Three necessary elements of the Positive Pole, Negative pole and the Neutral Vacuum Point that mediates the completed Circuit. H.P.B. said that it is the Neutral Vacuum that facilitates the ability to produce the "Bell" sounds she hears and also created at times. It is the Astral Phone that rings for us. Keely had a theorem of Planetary Suspension&;that
was 
entirely dependent on the Zero point (Laya Center) and quite interesting. I took the opportunity to forward your link to friends.
Thanks, John 

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From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com> 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJtvUqXPfKU

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