Theos-Talk Archives (August 2007 Message tt00297)

Hello John,
  I think one would have to be an adept to totally detach the mind.  Samadhi then is not unlike death, as the ego fears nothingness.  Pushing the thoughts out is still mind directed, I guess it would be a state of complete silence and then somehow the 'space' is occupied by something else.  Has anyone experienced Sadadhi and if so, what takes place when the mind is empty?
   
  Cass

Augoeides-222@comcast.net wrote:
          Cass,
I understand your view, I can be very much the same most of the time. You are right, the hand is empty and absent of tangibleness. That is the whole point of the exercise. It has been said to enter Samadhi the mind must be left at the doorstep. So, the Empty hand is a simile for the State of Being that is experienced in Samadhi and a simple way to demonstrate what cannot be grasped by either mind or hand is the Primordial Emptiness of Original Being that we all are. I answered this way because you asked about "emptiness of desire" in your previous post. It is only my personal view.

Best regards,
John

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From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com> 

Hi John
I think my blockage is that I want proof prior to real commitment, so this lifetime, I guess is about learning as much as I can from HPB in order that when I do get the proof I will understand, at least partially,the underlying nature of God (for want of a better term), ipso facto, me as part of humanity. 

What I need when I open and close my hand is proof that there is momentarily compacted space, otherwise all I get is 'nothing'. Maybe its Karma, who knows. 

Regards
Cass

Augoeides-222@comcast.net wrote:
Cass,
Thanks for Holmes Web site link, I will read in due time. Holmes may have said one should be "Empty" of desire but it is an established Tenet in all the Eastern Teaching Branches. Padmasambhava said this also as the Buddha did long before him. You can read much about Dukha or Clinging that is intimate to desire and the Gunas. Attachment is a fixation of conditioned mind, the Original Being is Empty but has Bythos of the Plenum. Reach out your hand, grasp the air, open your hand, look at your hand, what is in your hand? One cannot grasp or possess the True Space. What is it that is about you? My point of view only.
Regards,
John

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From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com> 
Hello John
I thought it was excellent also, I sent it to Leon hoping that he would verify his theory. Weren't the illustrations awe inspiring? I think I might get the book as he has been able to simplify many of those concepts for me. He also has a very good web site although I only briefly looked at it. I think it was Holmes that said that to access higher consciousness, the heart must be emptied of all desires?
http://www.zeropoint.ca/index.htm

Regards
Cass

Augoeides-222@comcast.net wrote:
Cass,
Thanks for giving this great link!!! Christopher Holmes in this video makes a wonderful presentation on Madame Blavatsky complete with Theosophical Emblems, I very much enjoyed listening to this 9 minute video! I noted on the right side-bar there are many other Videos on the ZPE Zero Point Energy alias the Laya Center Point of Theosophy. I might also insert that Radha had quite a bit to say about John Worrell Keely who also in arriving at his invention referred to "The Inter-Etheric Point," his description of the ZPE and Laya. In the Video they show three vertically oriented golden points, Keely postulated in his machine the Three necessary elements of the Positive Pole, Negative pole and the Neutral Vacuum Point that mediates the completed Circuit. H.P.B. said that it is the Neutral Vacuum that facilitates the ability to produce the "Bell" sounds she hears and also created at times. It is the Astral Phone that rings for us. Keely had a theorem of Planetary Suspension&;that
was 
entirely dependent on the Zero point (Laya Center) and quite interesting. I took the opportunity to forward your link to friends.
Thanks, John 

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From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com> 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJtvUqXPfKU

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