Theos-Talk Archives (July 2007 Message tt00447)

Careful Nigel, you will give me a big head!!!!! LOL
  Warm regards
  Cass

nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
          Dear Cass
This speaks pure wisdom to my heart and soul.

Kind regards
Nigel

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Nigel
> As an adult I realised that a 10 year old child cannot know or be 
responsible for consequences they have no control over. Hence the 
reason why I have no shame in publicly telling my story. I hope at 
another level it reaches others who have been through this and lets 
them know that they are not the guilty ones and should expose this 
cancer on society.
> 
> Those that haven't been in the hands of a Leadbeater cannot 
understand how he could seduce these children's mind, in his case, 
using the worst tool of all, 'for their spiritual advancement'. What 
I can't forgive is that he committed a crime against the soul, the 
higher self, he recruited for the dark magicians for his own sexual 
perversion. My psyche may have been corrupted but not my soul. I 
take it not as a victim but as a survivor who knows that in some 
lifetime I weilded unjust power over others, and have now learned how 
power in the wrong hands causes devastation, and that the majority of 
authoritians use their authoritity as a front for overpowering others.
> 
> Warm regards
> Cass
> 
> Warm regards
> Cass
> 
> nhcareyta <nhcareyta@...> wrote:
> Dear Cass
> 
> Bless you, in the truest sense, for sharing such personal 
> information. Although not a victim or survivor myself I have 
> obviously experienced the damage caused on so many levels to those 
so 
> assaulted. I say "experienced" advisedly as no one can ever truly 
> know the often far-reaching effects unless victims/survivors 
> themselves.
> 
> Yes, some parent's reactions and responses are incredulous. There 
are 
> so many causes for this, which might be understandable given the 
> cultural, social and family dynamics of the time, but which 
justifies 
> them not one iota. It was, is and always will be utterly 
inexcusable 
> to not respond appropriately to the violation of a child. It seems 
> extraordinary we even need to state this here, but some of Bishop 
> Leadbeater's apologists still wish to either deny or minimise his 
> self-confessed actions. I repeat, his self-confessed actions!
> Your blood must really boil at times, mine does.
> 
> You mention you have blocked much of it out. That can be an 
effective 
> coping mechanism, which probably shouldn't be changed unless the 
> memories revisit themselves upon you for some reason in a manner, 
> which is excessively disturbing. Although a trained counsellor, I 
am 
> not an academically qualified physician so please take my comments 
as 
> my caring but unqualified opinion only.
> 
> You write, "Up to this point I was brought up to respect Authority, 
> after this point, I
> never respected it again."
> 
> Little wonder and perhaps one of the only positives to be gained. 
> 
> You write, "Thank god the karmic cycle has been broken."
> 
> Heartfelt congratulations, and as we read in the Voice of the 
> Silence, never to return again. 
> 
> "And if he falls, e'en then he does not fall in vain; the enemies 
he 
> slew in the last battle will not return to life in the next birth 
> that will be his." 
> 
> Loving regards
> Nigel
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@> wrote:
> >
> > If I could add Nigel, in my particular case, the paedophile, used 
> other children to recruit more. I was about 10 I think, I have 
> blocked much of it out, but I recall having to wait in line until 
> called in to his bedroom. I too was brought up in the catholic 
> tradition, I knew at that time I had committed a sin, so I wrote 
the 
> sin down on a piece of paper. I didn't even know what to call it so 
> I called it the word the paedophile used, the 'f' word. My mother 
> found this paper and in my mind I felt she was more upset about 
> the 'f' word than the action. Many years later I asked her why she 
> didn't act against him. She told me that it would have only caused 
> me more traumas as the court system at the time did not place any 
> credance on a child's testimony. And that this type of thing 
secretly 
> occured in many families. But she did manage to get him to move 
from 
> our street, unfortunately, reaking more havoc on other children.
> > 
> > Up to this point I was brought up to respect Authority, after 
> this point, I never respected it again. Thank god the karmic cycle 
> has been broken.
> > 
> > Warm regards
> > Cass
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > nhcareyta <nhcareyta@> wrote:
> > Dear Pablo
> > 
> > I wish to sincerely thank you again for staying the course in 
this 
> > dialogue. After only twelve years in the Adyar Society, the 
> > approximate age of confirmation in the Christian church, you are 
> > certainly going through your baptism/confirmation of fire here on 
> > theostalk! You are answering in an honest way from your 
experience 
> > and open mind. You have quite obviously given this subject 
> > considerable thought and investigation and although I disagree 
with 
> > your inferences thus far, I greatly respect the integrity of your 
> > approach.
> > 
> > I would like to comment on two of the statements you have made in 
> > some of your recent postings.
> > 
> > You write concerning the cipher letter, "The letter is quite 
> > disgusting, but the, he said it was a forgery. It certainly 
didn't 
> > have signature, as I said. And was typewritten."
> > 
> > As you say, the letter, whether fraudulent in part or not, is 
> > disgusting. This only amplifies my earlier point that Bishop 
> > Leadbeater should have unequivocally denied the letter outright 
for 
> > the sake of the boy. As I wrote in an earlier post, "Irrespective 
> of 
> > his innocence or guilt, for reasons mentioned above he should not 
> > have allowed the boy to be implicated in this manner by remaining 
> > silent. As a putative occult "teacher" he also had a bounden duty 
> to 
> > protect his naïve charges from scurrilous attack. To protect a 
> > brother's good name is a standing tradition in occultism. To 
permit 
> a 
> > shadow of doubt to hang over another innocent boy is once again 
> > incomprehensible until, through weight of accumulating evidence, 
we 
> > consider the possibility of something more sinister."
> > 
> > You write, "There are also many written statements from several 
> > people who lived and work with Leadbeater, completely refusing 
that 
> > statement. I read them personally."
> > 
> > In my profession I worked intensively with "dysfunctional" young 
> > people from some of our most disadvantaged suburbs. Many had been 
> > either physically, emotionally or sexually abused with some 
having 
> > suffered all three. 
> > Whilst I do not have academic qualifications in this field, it 
was 
> > required that I have a layman's working knowledge of the subject 
of 
> > paedophilia, its causes and methodologies. The methodologies are 
> > astounding and shocking to say the least. Some paedophiles can be 
> > extraordinarily cunning through their processes of 
familiarisation, 
> > grooming, enticement, normalisation and eventual entrapment. All 
of 
> > this almost invariably occurs under a cloak of secrecy. Secrecy 
is 
> > standard fare for paedophiles. To facilitate this, some use 
> > enticements of pleasure, others of fear and sometimes a 
> combination. 
> > Paedophiles choose their victims carefully and practice their 
abuse 
> > surreptitiously and are astonishingly "successful" even when 
there 
> > are other children in the vicinity such as dormitories, schools, 
> > camps etc. This is what surprised me the most. A predator can 
abuse 
> > one or more children in the midst of others, sometimes without 
any 
> > child knowing of any other involved. There are variants to this 
> > whereby a number of children are involved and are mutually aware. 
> And 
> > this is where it can become even more insidious. The 
normalisation 
> > process can cause a child or groups of children to believe they 
are 
> > acting "normally." This can occur where the abuse does not 
involve 
> > the pain of sexual penetration e.g. mutual masturbation. The 
> accepted 
> > scenario is that boys "do it", and to have an adult secretly 
> > supporting it, in complete opposition to the child's perception 
of 
> > their parents' extreme disapproval, can be exciting to a child. 
> This 
> > perception of their parents' extreme disapproval guarantees non-
> > disclosure under almost any circumstances. This is one of the 
> reasons 
> > why paedophiles have historically remained largely untouched. 
> > Initially the boys will not disclose for fear of parental 
> retribution 
> > and by the time the boys have reached sufficient maturity to 
> realise 
> > the debauchery which has occurred they are too ashamed to admit 
it, 
> > very often blame themselves and will usually vehemently deny its 
> > occurrence due to feelings of shame. 
> > In terms of enticement and entrapment it seems Bishop Leadbeater 
> used 
> > the enticement of "occult progress" and its "required" secrecy as 
> his 
> > lure. The familiarisation, grooming and normalisation were easy 
for 
> > him given his status and prestige. 
> > Interestingly perhaps, paedophilia is not always about sex 
itself. 
> It 
> > is an issue of power. And this is why it is so often priests who 
> > suffer this disease. They belong to a mental system or mindset, 
> which 
> > actually worships power over others. There are certainly numerous 
> > other causes however that would involve a considerable 
dissertation 
> > just to review.
> > 
> > With regards to bathing naked with the boys and your experience 
of 
> > bathing with your father, this might well be culturally 
acceptable 
> in 
> > your tradition. My father, and to a lesser extent myself, was 
> raised 
> > in the old British tradition. Never did my father appear naked 
> before 
> > me nor would he have permitted it so. Even in communal showers 
men 
> > and young boys would retain their trunks or underwear. There were 
> > certain things that were just not done in Britain up the 1950's 
of 
> > which I can speak. Bishop Leadbeater would without doubt have 
been 
> > aware of this cultural norm. 
> > 
> > From my research into all the available evidence, some of which 
> > admittedly would be deemed circumstantial, my perception is that 
> > Bishop Leadbeater used his privileged position as teacher and 
> mentor 
> > to gratify his particular perversion with boys. In a court of law 
I 
> > would have no compunction in convicting him of the crime of 
> > paedophilia based on the principle "beyond all reasonable doubt." 
> > 
> > I do however accept that I could be wrong in this deliberation 
and 
> > stand ready to accept further evidence.
> > Until that time Pablo I must respectfully disagree with your 
> > conclusions. 
> > 
> > Thank you so much again for this most interesting dialogue.
> > 
> > Kind regards
> > Nigel
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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