Theos-Talk Archives (July 2007 Message tt00436)

Hello Nigel
  As an adult I realised that a 10 year old child cannot know or be responsible for consequences they have no control over.  Hence the reason why I have no shame in publicly telling my story.  I hope at another level it reaches others who have been through this and lets them know that they are not the guilty ones and should expose this cancer on society.
   
  Those that haven't been in the hands of a  Leadbeater cannot understand how he could seduce these children's mind, in his case, using the worst tool of all, 'for their spiritual advancement'.  What I can't forgive is that he committed a crime against the soul, the higher self, he recruited for the dark magicians for his own sexual perversion.  My psyche may have been corrupted but not my soul.  I take it not as a victim but as a survivor who knows that in some lifetime I weilded unjust power over others, and have now learned how power in the wrong hands causes devastation, and that the majority of authoritians use their authoritity as a front for overpowering others.
   
  Warm regards
  Cass
   
  Warm regards
  Cass

nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
          Dear Cass

Bless you, in the truest sense, for sharing such personal 
information. Although not a victim or survivor myself I have 
obviously experienced the damage caused on so many levels to those so 
assaulted. I say "experienced" advisedly as no one can ever truly 
know the often far-reaching effects unless victims/survivors 
themselves.

Yes, some parent's reactions and responses are incredulous. There are 
so many causes for this, which might be understandable given the 
cultural, social and family dynamics of the time, but which justifies 
them not one iota. It was, is and always will be utterly inexcusable 
to not respond appropriately to the violation of a child. It seems 
extraordinary we even need to state this here, but some of Bishop 
Leadbeater's apologists still wish to either deny or minimise his 
self-confessed actions. I repeat, his self-confessed actions!
Your blood must really boil at times, mine does.

You mention you have blocked much of it out. That can be an effective 
coping mechanism, which probably shouldn't be changed unless the 
memories revisit themselves upon you for some reason in a manner, 
which is excessively disturbing. Although a trained counsellor, I am 
not an academically qualified physician so please take my comments as 
my caring but unqualified opinion only.

You write, "Up to this point I was brought up to respect Authority, 
after this point, I
never respected it again."

Little wonder and perhaps one of the only positives to be gained. 

You write, "Thank god the karmic cycle has been broken."

Heartfelt congratulations, and as we read in the Voice of the 
Silence, never to return again. 

"And if he falls, e'en then he does not fall in vain; the enemies he 
slew in the last battle will not return to life in the next birth 
that will be his." 

Loving regards
Nigel

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
>
> If I could add Nigel, in my particular case, the paedophile, used 
other children to recruit more. I was about 10 I think, I have 
blocked much of it out, but I recall having to wait in line until 
called in to his bedroom. I too was brought up in the catholic 
tradition, I knew at that time I had committed a sin, so I wrote the 
sin down on a piece of paper. I didn't even know what to call it so 
I called it the word the paedophile used, the 'f' word. My mother 
found this paper and in my mind I felt she was more upset about 
the 'f' word than the action. Many years later I asked her why she 
didn't act against him. She told me that it would have only caused 
me more traumas as the court system at the time did not place any 
credance on a child's testimony. And that this type of thing secretly 
occured in many families. But she did manage to get him to move from 
our street, unfortunately, reaking more havoc on other children.
> 
> Up to this point I was brought up to respect Authority, after 
this point, I never respected it again. Thank god the karmic cycle 
has been broken.
> 
> Warm regards
> Cass
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> nhcareyta <nhcareyta@...> wrote:
> Dear Pablo
> 
> I wish to sincerely thank you again for staying the course in this 
> dialogue. After only twelve years in the Adyar Society, the 
> approximate age of confirmation in the Christian church, you are 
> certainly going through your baptism/confirmation of fire here on 
> theostalk! You are answering in an honest way from your experience 
> and open mind. You have quite obviously given this subject 
> considerable thought and investigation and although I disagree with 
> your inferences thus far, I greatly respect the integrity of your 
> approach.
> 
> I would like to comment on two of the statements you have made in 
> some of your recent postings.
> 
> You write concerning the cipher letter, "The letter is quite 
> disgusting, but the, he said it was a forgery. It certainly didn't 
> have signature, as I said. And was typewritten."
> 
> As you say, the letter, whether fraudulent in part or not, is 
> disgusting. This only amplifies my earlier point that Bishop 
> Leadbeater should have unequivocally denied the letter outright for 
> the sake of the boy. As I wrote in an earlier post, "Irrespective 
of 
> his innocence or guilt, for reasons mentioned above he should not 
> have allowed the boy to be implicated in this manner by remaining 
> silent. As a putative occult "teacher" he also had a bounden duty 
to 
> protect his naïve charges from scurrilous attack. To protect a 
> brother's good name is a standing tradition in occultism. To permit 
a 
> shadow of doubt to hang over another innocent boy is once again 
> incomprehensible until, through weight of accumulating evidence, we 
> consider the possibility of something more sinister."
> 
> You write, "There are also many written statements from several 
> people who lived and work with Leadbeater, completely refusing that 
> statement. I read them personally."
> 
> In my profession I worked intensively with "dysfunctional" young 
> people from some of our most disadvantaged suburbs. Many had been 
> either physically, emotionally or sexually abused with some having 
> suffered all three. 
> Whilst I do not have academic qualifications in this field, it was 
> required that I have a layman's working knowledge of the subject of 
> paedophilia, its causes and methodologies. The methodologies are 
> astounding and shocking to say the least. Some paedophiles can be 
> extraordinarily cunning through their processes of familiarisation, 
> grooming, enticement, normalisation and eventual entrapment. All of 
> this almost invariably occurs under a cloak of secrecy. Secrecy is 
> standard fare for paedophiles. To facilitate this, some use 
> enticements of pleasure, others of fear and sometimes a 
combination. 
> Paedophiles choose their victims carefully and practice their abuse 
> surreptitiously and are astonishingly "successful" even when there 
> are other children in the vicinity such as dormitories, schools, 
> camps etc. This is what surprised me the most. A predator can abuse 
> one or more children in the midst of others, sometimes without any 
> child knowing of any other involved. There are variants to this 
> whereby a number of children are involved and are mutually aware. 
And 
> this is where it can become even more insidious. The normalisation 
> process can cause a child or groups of children to believe they are 
> acting "normally." This can occur where the abuse does not involve 
> the pain of sexual penetration e.g. mutual masturbation. The 
accepted 
> scenario is that boys "do it", and to have an adult secretly 
> supporting it, in complete opposition to the child's perception of 
> their parents' extreme disapproval, can be exciting to a child. 
This 
> perception of their parents' extreme disapproval guarantees non-
> disclosure under almost any circumstances. This is one of the 
reasons 
> why paedophiles have historically remained largely untouched. 
> Initially the boys will not disclose for fear of parental 
retribution 
> and by the time the boys have reached sufficient maturity to 
realise 
> the debauchery which has occurred they are too ashamed to admit it, 
> very often blame themselves and will usually vehemently deny its 
> occurrence due to feelings of shame. 
> In terms of enticement and entrapment it seems Bishop Leadbeater 
used 
> the enticement of "occult progress" and its "required" secrecy as 
his 
> lure. The familiarisation, grooming and normalisation were easy for 
> him given his status and prestige. 
> Interestingly perhaps, paedophilia is not always about sex itself. 
It 
> is an issue of power. And this is why it is so often priests who 
> suffer this disease. They belong to a mental system or mindset, 
which 
> actually worships power over others. There are certainly numerous 
> other causes however that would involve a considerable dissertation 
> just to review.
> 
> With regards to bathing naked with the boys and your experience of 
> bathing with your father, this might well be culturally acceptable 
in 
> your tradition. My father, and to a lesser extent myself, was 
raised 
> in the old British tradition. Never did my father appear naked 
before 
> me nor would he have permitted it so. Even in communal showers men 
> and young boys would retain their trunks or underwear. There were 
> certain things that were just not done in Britain up the 1950's of 
> which I can speak. Bishop Leadbeater would without doubt have been 
> aware of this cultural norm. 
> 
> From my research into all the available evidence, some of which 
> admittedly would be deemed circumstantial, my perception is that 
> Bishop Leadbeater used his privileged position as teacher and 
mentor 
> to gratify his particular perversion with boys. In a court of law I 
> would have no compunction in convicting him of the crime of 
> paedophilia based on the principle "beyond all reasonable doubt." 
> 
> I do however accept that I could be wrong in this deliberation and 
> stand ready to accept further evidence.
> Until that time Pablo I must respectfully disagree with your 
> conclusions. 
> 
> Thank you so much again for this most interesting dialogue.
> 
> Kind regards
> Nigel
> 
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