Theos-Talk Archives (July 2007 Message tt00420)

Hi Cass, I suppose where I am coming from is more a question, how is the society to 
proceed from where we are now.

The past cannot be changed, but I think that the 3 Objects as they are, still constitute a 
worthwhile avenue of pursuit.

In my opinion HPB's writings should take an important and highly valued place in the 
Society and those teachings should be represented accurately and full academic rigour 
should be brought to bear on them, and as I have always maintained here on theos-talk a 
more constructively critical approach to its own history, past writers and teachers needs to 
be developed more fully.

The teachings are there for people to pursue and study in there own unique way and in 
their own time this means people cant be force fed teachings but still the opportunities 
and facilities need to be there the assist people to do that collectively with others if they 
so choose to.

Just my point of view, for what its worth.
Cheers

Perry

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Perry
>   Those that followed, I believe, had no guidance from the Masters, their work was not 
inspired nor was verifiable by the Masters.  I believe this to be the case and the reason 
why many claimed contact with them. Either that or the Masters had a change of mind 
between what they told HPB and what they told others that followed.  Many of the 
teachings were contradictory after HPB left.   And that is clearly a ridiculous notion as if we 
are to believe in higher evolved humans then we expect them to be reasonably infallible or 
at least complimentary to their original thesis.
>    
>   Warm regards
>   Cass
>    
>    
> 
> plcoles1 <plcoles1@...> wrote:
>           Hello Cass & Nigel,
> I personally can't see how the intent is that much different, 
> perhaps I am not seeing something staring me in the face, but if the 
> society is only there to study Blavatsky's teachers writings, the 
> Mahatma letters and commentaries on them, where is this clearly 
> stated anywhere by the founders?
> 
> If this was what they intended then it should have been clearly 
> stated in the original objects of the Society.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Perry
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Perry,
> > Why when it has been changed half a dozen times? It shouldn't 
> have been changed in the first place should it.? Would you have 
> joined if the objects had been the same as the original objects? 
> Did you join because you saw a link between your belief system and 
> theosophy? Unfortunately the 1896 version flies in the face of the 
> original version and totally distorts the truth of the objects.
> > 
> > Warm regards
> > Cass
> > 
> > plcoles1 <plcoles1@> wrote:
> > Hello Nigel,
> > Thanks for raising this as a point of discussion.
> > As I see it, the clock cannot be turned back, when I first joined 
> the TS, I joined because of 
> > the 3 objects (as they are now) this was what I saw the society as 
> being there to promote.
> > People have been joining the society for many years now based on 
> this understanding, 
> > and as I see it the Society is duty bound to stick to that.
> > I am interested to hear your perspective.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Perry
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "nhcareyta" <nhcareyta@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear all
> > > 
> > > In light of recent statements and their implications for the 
> > > Theosophy of Madame Blavatsky and her teachers the following may 
> be 
> > > of some interest.
> > > 
> > > At the time of Madame Blavatsky's death in 1891 the second 
> object 
> > > said nothing about the study of "comparative" religion.
> > > 
> > > It read:
> > > "To promote the study of Aryan and other Eastern literatures, 
> > > religions, philosophies and sciences, and to demonstrate their 
> > > importance to Humanity."
> > > 
> > > The implications are obvious. She was to be the "connecting 
> link" 
> > > between "esoteric" Tibetan philosophy, elsewhere described as 
> the 
> > > Aryan, Chaldeo Tibetan tradition, and the Western traditions. 
> > > The passage "...and to demonstrate their importance to Humanity" 
> > > clearly shows that she and her teachers had something specific 
> they 
> > > wanted brought to the West.
> > > 
> > > This object became diluted only in 1896 when it was changed to 
> read:
> > > "To encourage the study of comparative religion, philosophy and 
> > > science."
> > > 
> > > This permitted her and their dharma to be compromised by 
> admitting 
> > > all religion and philosophies as equal in value. Whether they 
> are or 
> > > not is a mute point however their wishes were clear.
> > > 
> > > In fact in 1878 the object read:
> > > "The objects of the Society are various?to acquire an intimate 
> > > knowledge of natural law?study to develop his latent powers?
> exemplify 
> > > the highest morality and religious aspiration?to make known 
> among 
> > > western nations?facts about oriental religious philosophies?and 
> > > disseminate a knowledge of that pure esoteric system of the 
> archaic 
> > > period, and finally and chiefly, aid in the institution of a 
> > > Brotherhood of Humanity?"
> > > 
> > > So it can be seen that the later theosophical leaders and 
> decision 
> > > makers in the Adyar Society, including Dr Besant and Bishop 
> > > Leadbeater, changed the object for their own reasons, thereby 
> > > diluting and diverting the real purpose of the original impetus.
> > > 
> > > It is for each to decide whether this was a wise decision or not 
> and 
> > > what ramifications flowed from it.
> > > 
> > > Regards
> > > Nigel
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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