Theos-Talk Archives (July 2007 Message tt00357)

I've read the trial he underwent, and as far as I remember that was 
not what he declared. Have you or anybody checked Tillet's 
assertions? 
I think I already said that part of the letter was probably written 
by him, because he acknowledged that he recognized part of it, but 
not in its present form. What I think it happens is that someone got 
the original letter and altered it. And I've certainly read that it 
was typewritten.
You have to remember that the legal trial declared him innocent.
And there is also another thing: I'm not trying to do any "historical 
assertion". I didn't do any systematic research. When I read the 
cases, it wasn't intended to do any report of it, so I have the 
general idea, in it is possible that some details are wrong, and that 
I arrived to that conclusion because other facts I don't remember in 
this moment. Therefore, I'm sharing what I read, as a personal 
commentary, and I'm do it because you are asking me about these 
questions, since according to you nobody want to do it. I can stop 
answering right now, because I don't want to convince anybody. I'm 
only presenting the facts as I sincerely consider them. 
p

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, gregory@... wrote:
>
> Some advice for Pablo: if you are going to make historical 
assertions
> (like Leadbeater said the cipher letter was a forgery, and that the 
letter
> was typewritten) at least check your facts.
> 
> This is the text of the letter:
> 
> "PRIVATE
> My own darling boy, there is no need for you to write anything in 
cipher,
> for no one but I ever sees your letters. But it is better for me to 
write
> in cipher about some of the most important matters?"
> [here follows some unimportant content]
> "Turning to other matters, I am glad to hear of the rapid growth 
and the
> strength of the results. Twice a week is permissible, but you will 
soon
> discover what brings the best effect."
> [Then follows the passage in cipher which translates as:]
> "The meaning of the sign is urethra. Spontaneous manifestations are
> undesirable and should be discouraged. If it comes without help, he 
needs
> rubbing more often, but not too often or he will not come well. 
Does that
> happen when you are asleep? Tell me fully. Glad sensation is so 
pleasant.
> Thousand kisses darling."
> 
> Leadbeater was asked whether he had written the letter, but never 
stated
> (a) that he had not written it or parts of it, or (b) that it or 
parts of
> it were a forgery. He stated that he "recognized it" but "did not 
know it
> in its present form", whatever that may have meant. Given that he 
was
> shown a legally attested typed copy of the original handwritten 
letter,
> this may have been a somewhat careful reply. Presumably if 
Leadbeater had
> not written the letter, there was a simple response to be given. If
> someone accused me of writing such a letter to a teenage boy (and I 
had
> not done so!) I would clearly, precisely and unequivocally deny 
that I had
> done so.
> 
> When Miss Edith Ward, in a circular letter to the British Section 
of the
> TS, called upon him to admit or deny that he had written the letter 
(as in
> the legally attested copy), Leadbeater refused to do so, saying 
that it
> was a "gross impertinence" to suggest that he should!
> 
> Dr Gregory Tillett
>