Theos-Talk Archives (July 2007 Message tt00308)

You are right. I have also seen the evidence of discounting anything
relating to K, especially in the USA especially those who have some vested
interest in the TS organization. It is generally not even whispered, but
unspoken "discrimination". May be the WT they were expecting was someone
from the West.

This reminds me of the joke I recently read. It goes like this. Pope dies
and was met by Peter at the entrance to the heaven. Peter asks Pope if there
is any wish before he is sent to heaven. Pope told Peter he wants to visit
the Lord. Peter discouraged Pope in visiting the Lord telling him it is a
very sensitive issue and he would discourage Pope from visiting the Lord.
Pope was insistent that he should see the Lord before he goes to heaven for
good. Peter gave directions to visit the Lord. Pope was overjoyed in the
expectation of meeting the Lord, as anyone else would be. Peter told Pope he
sould come back to him so that he can give directions to enter the heaven.
After 15 minutes Pope returned after visiting with the Lord and Pope was
more like a ghost. Peter asked him what happened. Pope replied -- "She is a
black." That said everything.

mkr


On 7/22/07, Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   Absolutely, I think he has been given such a raw deal by Theosophists
> who jumped on the Leadbeater/Besant bandwagon. To this day "Krishnamurti" is
> whispered about in most Theosophical groups. He may have been a World
> Teacher, but he was not the World Teacher the theosophists wanted.
>
> "All authority of any kind, especially in the field of thought and
> understanding, is the most destructive, evil thing. Leaders destroy the
> followers and followers destroy the leaders. You have to be your own teacher
> and your own disciple. You have to question everything that man has accepted
> as valuable, as necessary."
>
> People will argue that I take HPB as an authority, but it is not so, HPB
> lays out the details and leaves it up to ourselves to accept or reject it.
> All the wise ones have done that.
>
> That got me
> Warm regards
> Cass
>
> nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au <nhcareyta%40yahoo.com.au>> wrote:
> Dear Cass
> You write, "My personal opinion is that Krishnamurti saw the
> corruption in the TS and wanted no part of it."
>
> Yes indeed. Moreover when he utterred the famous words "The Masters
> are poison" he was referring to the "masters" created by Bishop
> Leadbeater and Dr Besant.
>
> Kind regards
> Nigel
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, Cass
> Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
> >
> > I don't look at this subject the way you do.
> > HPB tells us " The sole advantage which the writer has over her
> predecessors, is that she need not resort to personal speculations
> and theories. For this work is a partial statement of what she
> herself has been taught by more advanced students, supplemented, in a
> few details only, by the results of her own study and speculation"
> >
> > Without the input of the "more advanced students" this work would
> obviously not have occured. This tells me that when the planet needs
> a spiritual impetus, the masters look out across the sea of souls and
> take those souls that glimmer. HPB was the best of a bad bunch but
> capable of doing what the world needed at that time.
> >
> > Krishnamurti's work was to teach us about the Ego. One does not
> need a master or a religion to do this. He taught us about ourselves
> as Personality Egos. He taught us to look at ourselves and to
> cleanse our egos because I am sure he was aware that until this first
> initial step is taken, i.e. control of our ego selves, we will never
> reach higher conscious awareness.
> >
> > Unfortunately the TS did not do this and as HPB's message was to
> show that Nature is not a "fortuitous concurrence of atoms," and to
> assign to man his rightful place in the scheme of the Universe, to
> rescue from degradation the archaic truths which are the basis of all
> religions, and to uncover, to some extent, the fundamental unity from
> which they all spring; finally, to show that the occult side of
> Nature has never been approached by the Science of modern
> civilization" the two teachings parallel each other.
> >
> > If one wants to cleanse the ego one doesn't need a Master, a
> Society, a Religion, or books.
> > My personal opinion is that Krishnamurti saw the corruption in
> the TS and wanted no part of it.
> >
> > Cass
> >
> > supreme_1l <AnandGholap@...> wrote:
> > When Blavatsky founded Theosophical Society, she had
> certain vision
> > of what TS will be in future. There were some major concepts central
> > in Blavatsky's writing. These concepts also formed major portion of
> > the Mahatma Letters. Here are some major concepts with Blavatsky
> gave
> > - path of occultism, Masters, discipleship, study of scriptures,
> > books, reincarnation, man's constitution with it's many subtle
> bodies.
> > Krishnamurti's position was exactly opposite. According to
> > Krishnamurti one should not follow any Master, there is no path,
> books
> > corrupt minds of people, don't talk of reincarnation and future past
> > lives, live in the present. This Krishnamurti's teaching was
> promoted
> > through the Theosophical Society after the death of TS President C.
> > Jinarajadasa. (Jinarajadasa did not promote Krishnamurti's speeches,
> > because he knew it was very different.) After his death
> > Krishnamurti's speeches were promoted as Theosophy.
> > How can students of Blavatsky and Masters accept this change in TS ?
> > If they accept Krishnamurti's speeches, will they forget teaching of
> > Blavatsky and Mastrers, which is exactly opposite of Krishnamurti's
> > speeches ? Students of Blavatsky doen't accept small deviation from
> > teaching. Now Krishnamurti made complete U turn on major policies of
> > Blavatsky. How can this change be digested by students of
> Blavatsky ?
> > Anand Gholap
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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