Theos-Talk Archives (June 2007 Message tt00062)

Very true !
How do we determine who is and who is not an "initiate". Claimed 
authority is only at the end of the day a claim and nothing more, 
until we can corroborate such claims made through our own first hand 
experience and then our first hand experience is to someone else 
only a point of view on top of that our first hand experience may be 
completely deluded...... :-(

Perry

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Drpsionic@... wrote:
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> The answer is simple.  We don't know and as of now we have no 
reliable way of knowing, so one version is as good as the next and 
we pick and choose what suits us at the moment.
> 
> Chuck the Heretic
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> http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano 
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: danielhcaldwell <danielhcaldwell@...>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:59 pm
> Subject: Theos-World Conflicting Claims & Beliefs: What happens 
after death?
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> Are Theosophists/Theosophical students
> totally inclusive and non-judgmental when
> it comes to various teachings, for example,
> about life after death?
> 
> Do any of the Theosophical groups promote
> fully inclusive discussions and study of
> ALL the following views about life after
> death? Or do these groups actually "promote" 
> ONLY some of these views?
> 
> Do Theosphists and Theosophical groups 
> (by featuring only one or two views)
> in fact promote exclusive and judgmental views
> about life after death?
> 
> See BELOW the wide variety of views out there on
> what happens to a human being after death:
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> 
> What happens to you, your loved ones,
> your friends at death?....
> 
> There are persons who tell you
> that you have only one life to live and after
> that, you go either to heaven or hell, to enjoy
> heavenly delights for all eternity or
> to suffer forever in hell.
> 
> There are those who tell you that you
> have only one life to live and after that,
> you will enter either the kingdom of God which will
> be this physical world reborn or you will
> be (as a soul) utterly destroyed and annihilated
> in Gehenna.
> 
> There are those who tell you that science
> shows that there is no life after death.
> Once our physical body is dead, our psychological
> life also ceases. We are merely material physical
> entities and the concept of a soul is sheer nonsense.
> 
> There are those who tell you that this is
> the first life of many "lives", but that our
> future lives with all be in higher non-physical realms.
> 
> There are those who tell you that we live
> many lives besides this life, but that many
> of these lives are actually on other planets
> in our solar system or even on other star systems.
> 
> There are those who tell you that there is
> a ceaseless round of births, deaths and rebirths
> for each of us but that we will be trapped
> in these lower worlds UNTIL we find a true
> physical guru who can help us to escape this suffering
> round of births and deaths.
> 
> There are those who tell you that we don't
> need to reincarnate after death in another
> physical body in this world, but that we
> can choose any kind of life we want. We need
> only to believe it's true and it is!
> 
> There are those who tell you that we belong
> to different group souls and that we will NOT
> necessarily exist after the death of our physical
> body as a separate entity but will be absorbed
> back into the group soul. The essence
> of our being will merge with the group soul.
> 
> And the list goes on....
> 
> Even in Theosophical literature, there are many
> conflicting and contradictory ideas and teachings
> depending on the Theosophical book you happen to read.
> 
> Where lies the "truth" in this morass of beliefs, claims
> and counterclaims?
> 
> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
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