Theos-World Re: Bees Knees
May 02, 2007 08:16 PM
If I may add a comment to your posting to Leon.
>We can only assist others if we get HPB's teachings out to the
This is such an important statement and I (for what it's worth)
commend you for your sentiment. Indeed, some of us are doing that as
much and as best as we can.
In so doing we must also challenge those who purport to be, but in
some part are clearly not, representing her works.
When those misrepresentations and deceptions of "100 years ago" are
still to this day put forward as representing her work, do we not
need to clarify this for sake of theosophical inquirers and students?
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
> I am so glad you have brought up this issue. I get frustrated
when only receive mail about who said what, who did what 100 years
ago. It seems to me that the world is going quite mad at the moment
and as theosophists we are still dallying with the founders. Is this
truly what HPB wanted when she gave us the Ancient Teachings?
> We can only assist others if we get HPB's teachings out to the
general public. I am busy on several forums which are curious about
what she actually had to say.
> When I see Theos Talk all I can think is about Barbra
Streisand, "Talk amongst yourselves"
> I think the time for study is over, it is now time for action.
Now time to walk the walk.
> leonmaurer@... wrote:
> Guess that's the way it has to be. One way or the other, the planet
> will have to be cleared of the bulk of its human population that
> increasing in greater and greater numbers to eventually reach a
point -- which is
> not too far off -- where the global ecoology can't support them and
> infrastructures any longer.
> Besides, isn't it necessary to make room for the new cycle of the
> infiltrating sixth family race -- with a higher level of
> nature) development -- so as to continue the human evolution to an
> level before the sixth subrace appears? (Or is it subrace and root
> have no trouble wrapping my mind around that aspect of theosophical
> Since the possibility of such round and race evolution it
> perfectly consistent with the ABC model -- which sees evolution, on
all its levels,
> and particularly the physical, much like the "morphic resonance"
> of hyperspace morphogenetic or "morphic" fields, as explained by
> Sheldrake in his book "A New science of Life."
> Both Blavatsky and I (among many others, I suspect) thought this
> could be caused by a sudden geographic pole shift, or series of
> due to intelligent nature reflecting back mankind's accumulated
> thoughts. Or, if it occurred as the result of human actions -- we
> anticipated a global warming and massive floods, a worldwide
pandemic, or a globally
> catastrophic nuclear war.
> Who would have thought it could be the lowly bees that were
> chosen) to do the work? They gave us our nourishment, and now, they
seem to be
> taking away.
> It's ironic... But looking at the way mankind's greed and ignorance
> true nature have done it to themselves, it seems quite appropriate,
> Isn't the purpose of each of our lives, to learn the lessons that
we need to
> know to arrive at self realization and to achieve a "nucleus," then
> and ultimately a tree -- as a universal brotherhood of all mankind -
- so as to
> continue its further evolution toward its ultimate godlike nature --
> of us a consciously aware part of it? Isn't that the ultimate
reward for all
> individual points of Mankind's consciousness on this globe who
> survive through the whole lifetime of the manvantara without losing
> conscience or inner light, and perhaps ending up isolated in the
world of dark matter?
> So, what's lost, if much of the current world population is starved
> existence? Especially, since they are the one's who caused it.
> perfect justice in the form of karma, as you sow, so hall you reap,
> world? And, aren't the lives of our descendents as important as our
> lives? Especially, if such descendants could be part of the
> evolved mankind that we will ultimately be reborn into. Much food
> here, eh... Even for the skeptics -- who can't imagine or think
> possibility of consciousness beyond their present material
> BTW, the theosophical origin of the bees and the ants, along with
us -- as a
> necessary support of the ecology that, in turn, supports the
> consciousness expressed in Man -- might make sense if we assume
that HPB was using a
> metaphor, i.e., Moon as a substitute for Mother or primal matter,
> whose bosom all life arises and evolves. She also taught that the
> was simply the shell of the dead Earth left over from a previous
> manifestation or Manvantara -- that was necessary to stay and
encircle around so as to
> help maintain the orbit of the earth, and support the circadian
rhythms of all
> life, as well as acting as the mirror to reflect the highest
spiritual rays of
> the Sun during sleep -- to regenerate the life energy used up
> As I see it, all of that is easily explained, scientifically, by
> correspondence -- from the standpoint of the ABC field's initial
> fractal involution and subsequent evolution -- based on the second
> principle of cyclic (harmonic) laws of electrodynamics... That act
> conjunction with the (first principle) ineffable zero-point origin
of mother SPACE with
> its abstract motion or spinergy, and the (third principle) ultimate
> of evolution, supported by reincarnation and karma.
> So, maybe the bees are really our saviors -- both in the beginning
> of our lives on Earth.
> Sounds pretty reasonable to me, and perfectly in accord with the
> What do you think?
> P.S. And that doesn't let me off the hook either... Since back in
> seventies, I was entrapreneurially working on starting a worldwide
> empowered communication network. Was it my good karma to have
failed in all
> my previous enterprises leading to that one -- which also never
> consummated due to my lack of sufficient personal wealth? Although,
> plenty of other such electronic business startups that made it all
the way to
> the present morass of bee extermination, and ultimately, a goodly
portion of the
> human race... If that really is the cause, and not equally greed-
> worldwide biochemical dispersion, global warming, etc. Either
> difference. We did it to ourselves. And, by now, I think it's much
too late in
> the game to reverse any of it. Somehow, however, it makes me happy
> been a technological business failure. </:-)~
> In a message dated 5/2/07 10:02:51 AM, rpera@... writes:
> > Well,
> > Â
> > Blavatsky said that only bees, ants and rice made it to Earth
> > Moon. I could never wrap my head around that â??from the Moonâ??
stuff, but I have
> > always acknowledged another import of her statement: that bees
> > to life on this planet.
> > Â
> > The web of life is SO fragile.Â We got along without cell-phones
> > enough after carsâ?¦ dâ??ya think we could give them up to save
life as we know
> > it?Â (Then again, perhaps it is that very thing, â??life as we
know itâ?? that
> > should not be savedâ?¦) Either way, according to Einstein (one of
your mentors) we
> > â??ve only got a few years leftâ?¦ Who wouldâ??a thunk it would
happen this way?Â
> > Oh, Iâ??m sure a few people did.Â
> > Â
> > And there is a certain radical beauty about it: no â??terrorist
> > some â??foreign dictatorâ??, no individual â??evil manâ??, but
just us â?" every one
> > of us phone-carrying humans is to blame â?" innocently, and yet
> > Weâ??ve â??technologicizedâ?? ourselves into oblivion. Thatâ??s
> > overriding â??terror visionâ?? all along hasnâ??t it, that weâ??d
do ourselves in?Â Hey, we
> > were right!Â I mean wrongâ?¦ I mean right about being wrong.Â
> > that is.Â Irresponsible, un-steward-like, rushing to permeate
the planet with
> > deadly, invisible, odorless micro-waves without first testing ALL
> > possible fall-out.Â
> > Â
> > Why?
> > Â
> > Greed first, then convenience. Greed on the part of mega-corps
who saw how
> > marketing cell-phones to everyone and their sister would yield
> > profit, and our notion of convenience: never having to stop to
make a phone
> > call, and the seduction of the self-importance that luxury
> > Â
> > What a price to pay for it!
> > Â
> > Oh well.Â Itâ??ll be interesting to see just how selfish humans
are when, in
> > a very short amount of time weâ??re all squarely faced with
letting go of
> > something we considered â??Progressâ?? but is in the end the
> > Â
> > Its been a fun ride (sorta-kinda),
> > Radames Pera
> > Â
> > Â
> > Â
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LeonMaurer@... [mailto:LeonMaurer@...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:47 PM
> > To: undisclosed-recipients:
> > Subject: Are mobile phones wiping out our bees?
> > Â
> > The Independent newspaper (London), 15 April 2007.
> > Are mobile phones wiping out our bees?
> > Scientists claim radiation from handsets are to blame for
> > collapse' of bees
> > By Geoffrey Lean and Harriet Shawcross
> > It seems like the plot of a particularly far-fetched horror film.
> > scientists suggest that our love of the mobile phone could cause
> > shortages, as the world's harvests fail.
> > They are putting forward the theory that radiation given off by
> > phones and other hi-tech gadgets is a possible answer to one of
the more bizarre
> > mysteries ever to happen in the natural world - the abrupt
> > the bees that pollinate crops. Late last week, some bee-keepers
> > the phenomenon - which started in the US, then spread to
continental Europe -
> > was beginning to hit Britain as well.
> > The theory is that radiation from mobile phones interferes with
> > navigation systems [cf. the honeybee 'waggle' dance in the
> > sixth-dimension], preventing the famously homeloving species from
finding their way
> > back to their hives. Improbable as it may seem, there is now
evidence to back
> > this up.
> > Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) occurs when a hive's inhabitants
> > disappear, leaving only queens, eggs and a few immature workers,
like so many
> > apian Mary Celestes. The vanished bees are never found, but
thought to die
> > singly far from home. The parasites, wildlife and other bees that
> > the honey and pollen left behind when a colony dies, refuse to go
> > near the abandoned hives.
> > The alarm was first sounded last autumn, but has now hit half of
> > American states. The West Coast is thought to have lost 60 per
cent of its
> > commercial bee population, with 70 per cent missing on the East
> > CCD has since spread to Germany, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal,
> > Greece. And last week John Chapple, one of London's biggest bee-
> > announced that 23 of his 40 hives have been abruptly abandoned.
> > Other apiarists have recorded losses in Scotland, Wales and north-
> > England, but the Department of the Environment, Food and Rural
> > "There is absolutely no evidence of CCD in the UK."
> > The implications of the spread are alarming. Most of the world's
> > depend on pollination by bees. Albert Einstein once said that if
> > disappeared, "man would have only four years of life left".
> > No one knows why it is happening. Theories involving mites,
> > global warming and GM crops have been proposed, but all have
> > German research has long shown that bees' behaviour changes near
> > lines.
> > Now a limited study at Landau University has found that bees
> > return to their hives when mobile phones are placed nearby. Dr
Jochen Kuhn, who
> > carried it out, said this could provide a "hint" to a possible
> > Dr George Carlo, who headed a massive study by the US government
> > phone industry of hazards from mobiles in the Nineties, said: "I
> > the possibility is real."
> > The case against handsets
> > Evidence of dangers to people from mobile phones is increasing.
But proof is
> > still lacking, largely because many of the biggest perils, such
> > take decades to show up.
> > Most research on cancer has so far proved inconclusive. But an
> > Finnish study found that people who used the phones for more than
10 years were
> > 40 per cent more likely to get a brain tumour on the same side as
> > the handset. [BEB: from memory, there are more handsets per
capita in Finland
> > than anywhere in the world.]
> > Equally alarming, blue-chip Swedish research revealed that
> > mobile phones killed off brain cells, suggesting that today's
> > go senile in the prime of their lives. [BEB: I thought they
> > Studies in India and the US have raised the possibility that men
> > mobile phones heavily have reduced sperm counts. And, more
> > have identified the condition of "text thumb", a form of RSI from
> > texting.
> > Professor Sir William Stewart, who has headed two official
> > that children under eight should not use mobiles and made a
series of safety
> > recommendations, largely ignored by ministers.
> > **************************************
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