Theos-Talk Archives (May 2007 Message tt00005)

Dear Cass
If I may add a comment to your posting to Leon.

Your write:

>We can only assist others if we get HPB's teachings out to the 
>general public.

This is such an important statement and I (for what it's worth) 
commend you for your sentiment. Indeed, some of us are doing that as 
much and as best as we can.

In so doing we must also challenge those who purport to be, but in 
some part are clearly not, representing her works.

When those misrepresentations and deceptions of "100 years ago" are 
still to this day put forward as representing her work, do we not 
need to clarify this for sake of theosophical inquirers and students?

Regards
Nigel




--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
>
> Leon
>   I am so glad you have brought up this issue.  I get frustrated 
when only receive mail about who said what, who did what 100 years 
ago.  It seems to me that the world is going quite mad at the moment 
and as theosophists we are still dallying with the founders.  Is this 
truly what HPB wanted when she gave us the Ancient Teachings?
>    
>   We can only assist others if we get HPB's teachings out to the 
general public.  I am busy on several forums which are curious about 
what she actually had to say.
>    
>   When I see Theos Talk all I can think is about Barbra 
Streisand, "Talk amongst yourselves"
>    
>   I think the time for study is over, it is now time for action.  
Now time to walk the walk.
>    
>   Cass
>   
> 
> leonmaurer@... wrote:
>           Rad,
> 
> Guess that's the way it has to be. One way or the other, the planet 
someday 
> will have to be cleared of the bulk of its human population that 
keeps 
> increasing in greater and greater numbers to eventually reach a 
point -- which is 
> not too far off -- where the global ecoology can't support them and 
their 
> infrastructures any longer. 
> 
> Besides, isn't it necessary to make room for the new cycle of the 
now 
> infiltrating sixth family race -- with a higher level of 
mental/moral (Buddhi 
> nature) development -- so as to continue the human evolution to an 
even higher 
> level before the sixth subrace appears? (Or is it subrace and root 
race?) I 
> have no trouble wrapping my mind around that aspect of theosophical 
teachings... 
> Since the possibility of such round and race evolution it 
describes, is 
> perfectly consistent with the ABC model -- which sees evolution, on 
all its levels, 
> and particularly the physical, much like the "morphic resonance" 
interaction 
> of hyperspace morphogenetic or "morphic" fields, as explained by 
Rupert 
> Sheldrake in his book "A New science of Life."
> 
> Both Blavatsky and I (among many others, I suspect) thought this 
culling 
> could be caused by a sudden geographic pole shift, or series of 
volcanic disasters 
> due to intelligent nature reflecting back mankind's accumulated 
evil 
> thoughts. Or, if it occurred as the result of human actions -- we 
could have 
> anticipated a global warming and massive floods, a worldwide 
pandemic, or a globally 
> catastrophic nuclear war. 
> 
> Who would have thought it could be the lowly bees that were 
destined (or 
> chosen) to do the work? They gave us our nourishment, and now, they 
seem to be 
> taking away.
> 
> It's ironic... But looking at the way mankind's greed and ignorance 
of their 
> true nature have done it to themselves, it seems quite appropriate, 
don't you 
> think? 
> 
> Isn't the purpose of each of our lives, to learn the lessons that 
we need to 
> know to arrive at self realization and to achieve a "nucleus," then 
a seed, 
> and ultimately a tree -- as a universal brotherhood of all mankind -
- so as to 
> continue its further evolution toward its ultimate godlike nature --
 with each 
> of us a consciously aware part of it? Isn't that the ultimate 
reward for all 
> individual points of Mankind's consciousness on this globe who 
manage to 
> survive through the whole lifetime of the manvantara without losing 
their 
> conscience or inner light, and perhaps ending up isolated in the 
world of dark matter? 
> So, what's lost, if much of the current world population is starved 
out of 
> existence? Especially, since they are the one's who caused it. 
Doesn't 
> perfect justice in the form of karma, as you sow, so hall you reap, 
rule the 
> world? And, aren't the lives of our descendents as important as our 
present 
> lives? Especially, if such descendants could be part of the 
incoming higher 
> evolved mankind that we will ultimately be reborn into. Much food 
for thought 
> here, eh... Even for the skeptics -- who can't imagine or think 
about any 
> possibility of consciousness beyond their present material 
lifetimes. 
> 
> BTW, the theosophical origin of the bees and the ants, along with 
us -- as a 
> necessary support of the ecology that, in turn, supports the 
universal 
> consciousness expressed in Man -- might make sense if we assume 
that HPB was using a 
> metaphor, i.e., Moon as a substitute for Mother or primal matter, 
out of 
> whose bosom all life arises and evolves. She also taught that the 
physical moon 
> was simply the shell of the dead Earth left over from a previous 
> manifestation or Manvantara -- that was necessary to stay and 
encircle around so as to 
> help maintain the orbit of the earth, and support the circadian 
rhythms of all 
> life, as well as acting as the mirror to reflect the highest 
spiritual rays of 
> the Sun during sleep -- to regenerate the life energy used up 
during waking 
> hours.
> 
> As I see it, all of that is easily explained, scientifically, by 
analogy and 
> correspondence -- from the standpoint of the ABC field's initial 
radiation, 
> fractal involution and subsequent evolution -- based on the second 
fundamental 
> principle of cyclic (harmonic) laws of electrodynamics... That act 
in 
> conjunction with the (first principle) ineffable zero-point origin 
of mother SPACE with 
> its abstract motion or spinergy, and the (third principle) ultimate 
purpose 
> of evolution, supported by reincarnation and karma.
> 
> So, maybe the bees are really our saviors -- both in the beginning 
and ending 
> of our lives on Earth. 
> 
> Sounds pretty reasonable to me, and perfectly in accord with the 
theosophical 
> teachings.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Len
> P.S. And that doesn't let me off the hook either... Since back in 
the early 
> seventies, I was entrapreneurially working on starting a worldwide 
cellphone 
> empowered communication network. Was it my good karma to have 
failed in all 
> my previous enterprises leading to that one -- which also never 
could be 
> consummated due to my lack of sufficient personal wealth? Although, 
there were 
> plenty of other such electronic business startups that made it all 
the way to 
> the present morass of bee extermination, and ultimately, a goodly 
portion of the 
> human race... If that really is the cause, and not equally greed-
driven, 
> worldwide biochemical dispersion, global warming, etc. Either 
way... Same 
> difference. We did it to ourselves. And, by now, I think it's much 
too late in 
> the game to reverse any of it. Somehow, however, it makes me happy 
to have 
> been a technological business failure. </:-)~
> 
> In a message dated 5/2/07 10:02:51 AM, rpera@... writes:
> 
> > 
> > Well,
> > Â 
> > Blavatsky said that only bees, ants and rice made it to Earth 
from the 
> > Moon. I could never wrap my head around that â??from the Moonâ?? 
stuff, but I have 
> > always acknowledged another import of her statement: that bees 
are ESSENTIAL 
> > to life on this planet.
> > Â 
> > The web of life is SO fragile.  We got along without cell-phones 
for long 
> > enough after carsâ?¦ dâ??ya think we could give them up to save 
life as we know 
> > it?  (Then again, perhaps it is that very thing, â??life as we 
know itâ?? that 
> > should not be savedâ?¦) Either way, according to Einstein (one of 
your mentors) we
> > â??ve only got a few years leftâ?¦ Who wouldâ??a thunk it would 
happen this way?  
> > Oh, Iâ??m sure a few people did. 
> > Â 
> > And there is a certain radical beauty about it: no â??terrorist 
threatâ??, not 
> > some â??foreign dictatorâ??, no individual â??evil manâ??, but 
just us â?" every one 
> > of us phone-carrying humans is to blame â?" innocently, and yet 
collectively.  
> > Weâ??ve â??technologicizedâ?? ourselves into oblivion. Thatâ??s 
been the 
> > overriding â??terror visionâ?? all along hasnâ??t it, that weâ??d 
do ourselves in?  Hey, we 
> > were right!  I mean wrong� I mean right about being wrong.  
Wrong-headed, 
> > that is.  Irresponsible, un-steward-like, rushing to permeate 
the planet with 
> > deadly, invisible, odorless micro-waves without first testing ALL 
of the 
> > possible fall-out. 
> > Â 
> > Why?
> > Â 
> > Greed first, then convenience. Greed on the part of mega-corps 
who saw how 
> > marketing cell-phones to everyone and their sister would yield 
unprecedented 
> > profit, and our notion of convenience: never having to stop to 
make a phone 
> > call, and the seduction of the self-importance that luxury 
engenders. 
> > Â 
> > What a price to pay for it!
> > Â 
> > Oh well.  Itâ??ll be interesting to see just how selfish humans 
are when, in 
> > a very short amount of time weâ??re all squarely faced with 
letting go of 
> > something we considered â??Progressâ?? but is in the end the 
opposite!
> > Â 
> > Its been a fun ride (sorta-kinda),
> > Radames Pera
> > Â 
> > Â 
> > 
> > Â 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LeonMaurer@... [mailto:LeonMaurer@...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:47 PM
> > To: undisclosed-recipients:
> > Subject: Are mobile phones wiping out our bees?
> > Â 
> > The Independent newspaper (London), 15 April 2007.
> > Are mobile phones wiping out our bees?
> > 
> > Scientists claim radiation from handsets are to blame for 
mysterious 'colony 
> > collapse' of bees
> > 
> > By Geoffrey Lean and Harriet Shawcross
> > 
> > It seems like the plot of a particularly far-fetched horror film. 
But some 
> > scientists suggest that our love of the mobile phone could cause 
massive food 
> > shortages, as the world's harvests fail.
> > 
> > They are putting forward the theory that radiation given off by 
mobile 
> > phones and other hi-tech gadgets is a possible answer to one of 
the more bizarre 
> > mysteries ever to happen in the natural world - the abrupt 
disappearance of 
> > the bees that pollinate crops. Late last week, some bee-keepers 
claimed that 
> > the phenomenon - which started in the US, then spread to 
continental Europe - 
> > was beginning to hit Britain as well.
> > 
> > The theory is that radiation from mobile phones interferes with 
bees' 
> > navigation systems [cf. the honeybee 'waggle' dance in the 
psychophysical 
> > sixth-dimension], preventing the famously homeloving species from 
finding their way 
> > back to their hives. Improbable as it may seem, there is now 
evidence to back 
> > this up.
> > 
> > Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) occurs when a hive's inhabitants 
suddenly 
> > disappear, leaving only queens, eggs and a few immature workers, 
like so many 
> > apian Mary Celestes. The vanished bees are never found, but 
thought to die 
> > singly far from home. The parasites, wildlife and other bees that 
normally raid 
> > the honey and pollen left behind when a colony dies, refuse to go 
anywhere 
> > near the abandoned hives.
> > 
> > The alarm was first sounded last autumn, but has now hit half of 
all 
> > American states. The West Coast is thought to have lost 60 per 
cent of its 
> > commercial bee population, with 70 per cent missing on the East 
Coast.
> > 
> > CCD has since spread to Germany, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, 
Italy and 
> > Greece. And last week John Chapple, one of London's biggest bee-
keepers, 
> > announced that 23 of his 40 hives have been abruptly abandoned.
> > 
> > Other apiarists have recorded losses in Scotland, Wales and north-
west 
> > England, but the Department of the Environment, Food and Rural 
Affairs insisted: 
> > "There is absolutely no evidence of CCD in the UK."
> > 
> > The implications of the spread are alarming. Most of the world's 
crops 
> > depend on pollination by bees. Albert Einstein once said that if 
the bees 
> > disappeared, "man would have only four years of life left".
> > 
> > No one knows why it is happening. Theories involving mites, 
pesticides, 
> > global warming and GM crops have been proposed, but all have 
drawbacks.
> > 
> > German research has long shown that bees' behaviour changes near 
power 
> > lines.
> > 
> > Now a limited study at Landau University has found that bees 
refuse to 
> > return to their hives when mobile phones are placed nearby. Dr 
Jochen Kuhn, who 
> > carried it out, said this could provide a "hint" to a possible 
cause.
> > 
> > Dr George Carlo, who headed a massive study by the US government 
and mobile 
> > phone industry of hazards from mobiles in the Nineties, said: "I 
am convinced 
> > the possibility is real."
> > 
> > The case against handsets
> > 
> > Evidence of dangers to people from mobile phones is increasing. 
But proof is 
> > still lacking, largely because many of the biggest perils, such 
as cancer, 
> > take decades to show up.
> > 
> > Most research on cancer has so far proved inconclusive. But an 
official 
> > Finnish study found that people who used the phones for more than 
10 years were 
> > 40 per cent more likely to get a brain tumour on the same side as 
they held 
> > the handset. [BEB: from memory, there are more handsets per 
capita in Finland 
> > than anywhere in the world.]
> > 
> > Equally alarming, blue-chip Swedish research revealed that 
radiation from 
> > mobile phones killed off brain cells, suggesting that today's 
teenagers could 
> > go senile in the prime of their lives. [BEB: I thought they 
already were.]
> > 
> > Studies in India and the US have raised the possibility that men 
who use 
> > mobile phones heavily have reduced sperm counts. And, more 
prosaically, doctors 
> > have identified the condition of "text thumb", a form of RSI from 
constant 
> > texting.
> > 
> > Professor Sir William Stewart, who has headed two official 
inquiries, warned 
> > that children under eight should not use mobiles and made a 
series of safety 
> > recommendations, largely ignored by ministers.
> > 
> > 
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