Theos-Talk Archives (March 2007 Message tt00210)

Leon,

You write quite a long posting!  But my eye was attracted to this
statement of yours:

"...an association that isn't organized...."

And yet in the long description you give that
follows this statement, you in fact describe
an "association" that in fact is "organized".

I have no idea what you mean by the word
"organize" but much of your description suggests
an "association" that is ORGANIZED.

And you also declare:

"Nor will you find anyone who is unwilling to tell you anything they 
do know (when asked directly) about the inner workings that maintains 
the unity of the individual lodges throughout the world...."

Is this true?

Some time ago on Theos-Talk the following was posted by Mr. Carlos 
Aveline:

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This is the answer I just received from ULT-Los Angeles:

"The doors of U.L.T. are open to everybody. If an historian has any
question, he can either call this number 213- 748-7244 or come and 
visit the Lodge in Los Angeles: from Monday through Friday, from 
10:00 a.m to 4. p.m."

In the ULT there is not an 'officer in charge', so to say. But Dr. 
Tillett may write as an example to Dennis at: info@... .
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Therefore Gregory Tillett addressed a series of questions to Dennis 
at the ULT in Los Angeles and as far as I know up to the current time 
Gregory has NOT received any reply whatsoever.

Why?

So I ask:

Is it true what you write????

"Nor will you find anyone who is unwilling to tell you anything they 
do know (when asked directly) about the inner workings...."

??????

Will you now suggest that Dennis doesn't know anything???  

Dennis was also directly asked in an email.  Or does that not count:  
asking by email?

There are numerous other statements of yours which raise all sorts of 
questions.

For example, you write:

"As it is, ULT is the only free and independent worldwide network of 
theosophical lodges that continue to follow the original intentions 
of the initial teachers and founders of the Theosophical Movement in 
America...."

ONLY???

Why do you exclude the Pasadena Theosophical Society from this 
statement of yours?

>From your whole posting it appears that there are certainly some 
rules and some kind of "organization".

Surely the following description by you shows that there 
is "organization" and also RULES and also those WHO ARE IN CHARGE and 
who make decisions just like in any other organization:

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...I imagine we can easily figure out that any group of theosophy 
students can set up a ULT Lodge... Provided they get approval from 
the board of trustees of the foundation that holds the original 
charter of the parent lodge in Los Angeles established by Robert 
Crosbie under the legally trademarked and copyrighted ULT name and
Declaration registered in California, and with the US Patent Office 
and Internal Revenue Service as a not for profit eleemosynary 
corporation.

Such approval would certainly require a sufficiently large study group
working under the methods outlined by the founder, and governed by 
the ULT Declaration, for a considerable period of time, and with 
sufficient voluntary funds and/or common property to provide a lodge 
meeting place and register locally as an "independent" United Lodge 
of Theosophists under a non profit eleemosynary corporation charter 
identical to that of the of the original ULT foundation. Also, the 
location would necessarily have to be in a different jurisdiction
and at a sufficient distance from any other Lodge.
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Moving on....

You also write:

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Although I know almost as little as anyone else about the inner 
workings of, or who holds and manages the buildings and facilities in 
the score or more ULT associate groups throughout the world... I
do know why they need no bookkeepers....
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No bookkeepers???  Goodness gracious!!!

I would certainly hope that at least the Theosophy Company LA has at 
least one "bookkeeper" to keep track of the million of dollars that 
they hold in the corporation!! 

Etc. etc.

As I read and reread your posting, I ask myself:

"Why all this bending over backwards to prop up the contention 
of '...an association that isn't organized....'????"

Daniel