Theos-Talk Archives (February 2007 Message tt00291)

Thank you Nigel. I want to tell you that I agree almost completely with your assessment and reasoning. However, I cannot know whether or not he lied deliberately, or misinterpreted his visions into the astral world. It is entirely conceivable that being a fairly naive and impressionable person, as I perceive people who become clergy to be, Leadbeater had an entirely different world-view than most of us. I say all this with tongue in cheek however, because most of what Leadbeater has written about life on Mars and such is simply "poppy-cock". And the past lives, LOL. But some of his books are even inspiring?  
 
I do think that Leadbeater was a pedophile. But he may not have known it. The Adyar Society is a little like Leadbeater [and his cohort Annie Besant] in fact. Ambitious people are at the head of it, and only ambitious people will ever be in charge They will do what they must to stay in power and lead the sheeple. But that is not to say that those same people have not done good for the spreading of theosophy. I think they count on the fact that many, if not most, people who join the Society will never find out about the various controversies and the different splinter groups that have arisen. When I joined the Adyar Society, it was because it was there, I had not way of knowing that there were choices, and I was never informed about any choices. So I became a Life-Member. So, am I through my membership condoning the Leadbeater and Besant  debacle? I don't know. And at this point, since Blavatsky, Judge, Olcott, Leadbeater and Besant have gone to their reward, I don't care. I will just have to make do with the literature and my own intuitions.
 
Marie
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 7:40 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: CW Leadbeater website


Dear Marie
Thank you for alerting us to this website. It is a worthwhile 
contribution to an interesting debate.

On this site, Pedro takes what appears to be at first glance a 
reasoned approach to some of the issues surrounding Bishop 
Leadbeater. For the uninformed or faithful some of the ideas he 
presents sound entirely reasonable and supportable by any fair minded 
person.
However for me, Pedro's work is an extraordinary minimisation of some 
real issues. 

As has been mentioned so many times in this forum, Bishop Leadbeater 
produced utterly contradictory accounts of occult teachings from 
Madame Blavatsky and her occult teachers, despite claiming to be in 
direct contact with those very same teachers. He also lied and 
deceived people on numerous occasions as is well documented and 
validated. 

Unfortunately and yet again it needs to be stated that this is in no 
way suggesting that Madame Blavatsky and her teachers are in 
possession of absolute truth and that their students are, in effect, 
blind devotees as Pedro and others seem concerned about. This is an 
age old diversionary tactic, used consciously or unconsciously, of 
subtly suggesting something where often no such thing exists.

Furthermore and once again, it is not suggesting that Bishop 
Leadbeater was all bad and contributed nothing of any value. He was a 
dedicated and hard worker for his version of theosophy, his Society 
and his church.

However, Pedro either doesn't understand or doesn't want to 
understand the gravity of Bishop Leadbeater's many intellectual 
indiscretions and manifest incidents of breach of trust.
It seems that matters of honour, integrity and truth are unimportant 
with respect to spiritual teachers and teachings despite the good 
Bishop's ardent professions to the contrary in most of his works.

Kind regards
Nigel

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, MarieMAJ41@... wrote:
>
> Hello Friends, I received this from another forum from Pedro 
Oliveira, but thought u all might enjoy this.
> 
> Please find below the URL for a website dedicated to C. W. 
Leadbeater.
> 
> http://www.cwlworld.info/index.html
> 
> 
> With warm and fraternal regards to all,
> 
> Marie and Pedro Oliveira
> 
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