Theos-Talk Archives (December 2006 Message tt00942)

Another Landslide from Aveline ego Mountain 


    So now Carlos begins to Lie (he thinks 
it is permissible to defend his style 
of theosophy - which is what cultists do 
too.)  KH said in the MLs that he almost 
got pulled into that trap of "ends and 
means" but got saved by his uncle.  He 
also calls me a girly-man.  In personal 
email he called me a queer and a coward.


Lie No. 1:


He writes (Dec. 28):

<"...What would John Guarrangues [sic] 
( someone who never existed, by the way)....>


   He said Garrangues doesn't exist 
several times, but  knows Garrangues was 
the primary mover at ULT, LA, for years.  
Garrangues was the author primarily of 
"The Theosophical Movement, 1875-1935" 
and the book "Point Out the Way," and a 
President of The Theosophy Company from 
some time after Crosbie's death 'till 
his own death in 1944.  J. Wheeler, editor 
of "Aquarian Theosophist," said they used 
to call him "Uncle John." (If I can depend 
on this...., as the time-line doesn't 
seem to match to be a personal account) 
So why is Carlos lying about this, something 
that doesn't seem to matter?  Maybe he 
thinks "anonymity" is some teacher-ordered 
new doctrine in his strange perspective.


Lie No. 2 (see repost below):


   Dr. Tillet (2 reposts below) says 
that tax-records say that the Theosophy 
Company was worth $6.1 million in 2004, 
and that about $5.4 million of this was 
other than property.  (It'd be good if 
someone else could check this out, or say 
if it is available on line.  I'm inept 
at this type of stuff.)  I don't think 
any organization calling itself Theosophical 
has any business having unused (or personally 
used!)money like this around, and it means 
to _ME_ that ULT has fallen, it is no 
more a bonafide center of work.  Organization
-worshipping is not a Theosophical doctrine.


    Aveline says in several emails - that 
this tax-record is all just a lie - that 
Tillet is lying about it all.  And in 
his reposts of it, HE DELETES PORTIONS 
OF TILLET'S STATEMENT, to cover up the 
information on property, etc.  Why doesn't 
he ask ULT for the real information then, 
or look it up himself (as these scammers (?) 
won't reply to anyone - not even Tillet's 
inquiry about their archives.)  I'll 
tell you why - because Aveline thinks it 
is OK to lie for ULT.  Just like a cultist, 
he equates this organization with Theosophy.  
He thinks ULT, the teachers, and Theosophy 
are all the same thing.


    Lets see..... some more psychological 
profiling, or "guesses."  My bet from his 
tantrums at being disagreed with, and 
love of the limelight, that (at about 50 
yrs of age) he was an Only Child, or that 
he was adopted, or that he was the Youngest 
Child, separated by at least 5 years from 
his nearest sibling.


     Just the opinion of a poor little 
wussy girly-man, (according to Aveline in 
comparison to himself.)  (The reposts 
below are important, to anyone who gives a .....)


         - jake j.


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<6a. The Theosophy Company
    Posted by: "gregory@zeta.org.au" gregory@zeta.org.au 
    Date: Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:55 pm ((PST))

<Documents lodged for taxation purposes 
by The Theosophy Company for 2004
shed some light on that organization. Its directors were: Wesley 
Amerman (President), Joseph Martin (Vice-President), W. Dallas TenBroeck
(Secretary), Rosemary Jourdan (Assistant Secretary), Colin Baker, 
Howard McOwen, Joseph Rudison, Lavera Samuels, Carolyn Van Horn and Valerie
TenBroeck. At the beginning of the year it had assets of approx. $6.1 million, and 
by the end of the year approx. $4.9 million. Some $627,000 had been
transferred to the ULT of New York. The Theosophy Company paid some
$160,000 in salaries (although none of the Directors received 
payments).


<Its income was approx. $1.3 million, and it owned land and buildings to
the value of approx. $666,000. There were loans of approx. $110,000
outstanding to three named, but otherwise undescribed individuals.

<Dr Gregory Tillett



Messages in this topic (2)
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<6b. Re: The Theosophy Company
    Posted by: "samblo@cs.com" samblo@cs.com 
    Date: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:08 pm ((PST))

<Gregory,
    Thanks, it is interesting. I wonder "why" New York ULT received the 
$627.000 transfer? Is there a tax record for the New York ULT? There 
looks to be some $303,000 difference remaining unmentioned as regards the $1.2 
million change in assets of 2004 after $897,000 of stated expenses and 
disbursements are deducted.

<John


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<2a. Getting to know the ULT?
    Posted by: "gregory@zeta.org.au" gregory@zeta.org.au 
    Date: Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:53 pm ((PST))

<Carlos' statements about the ULT continue to confuse me.

<Apparently the ULT has no organization and apparently therefore no
headquarters, But I should visit the ULT in Los Angeles. Why Los 
Angeles?..............

<.......Incidentally, the Theosophy Company does have a structure, organization
and officers, and a headquarters. It is a corporation registered in
California (Number: C0115989), originally incorporated on September 10,
1925. Its official address is 245 West 33rd Street, Los Angeles, CA 
90007.


<Its Agent for Service of Process is West H. van Horn of the same 
address.


<Perhaps some Californian friends might like to search further in the 
State corporate record to identify office holders, assets and such. The
corporation is run by a board of seven trustees. How are these 
appointed? Can I presume that this corporation owns the ULT building (if not
headquarters) in Los Angeles? After Crosbie's death, John Garrigues was
apparently President of the Corporation, succeeded after his death in 
1944 by Grace Clough followed by Henry Geiger. It has been claimed that a 
1938 case a court ruled that the U.L.T. was a business belonging to John
Garrigues.

<Similarly, there is The Theosophy Company ? New York Inc, a 
not-for-profit body incorporated in New York, with its address at 347 East 72nd 
Street, New York, NY 10021. Can I presume that this corporation owns the ULT
building (if not headquarters) in New York?

<Likewise, there is the Theosophy Company Limited (Company Number 
00239143) of 62 Queens Gardens, London, W2 3AH, England, a private company, 
limited by guarantee with no share capital. Can I presume that this corporation
owns the ULT building (if not headquarters) in London?

<There is also the Theosophy Company (India) Private Limited at 40 New
Marine Lines, Mumbai 400 020, India.

<What is the relationship of the Theosophy Company/ies to the ULT? How 
are the members/directors of the Companies appointed?

<Equivalent information is readily available in relation to, for 
example, the Adyar TS.

<Dr Gregory Tillett

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