Theos-Talk Archives (December 2006 Message tt00934)

Marie,


Thanks. 

People may disagree in many things, yet Life will teach them sooner of later that everything is part of the one great Learning Process.

May Unity, Diversity and Self-Renewal prevail in the Movement, 

Carlos. 



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Data:Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:14:24 -0500

Assunto:Re: Theos-World Adyar Irrelevant?

> Carlos, I agree with your long and thoughtful assessment here. I feel that I am witnessing a slow and gradual metamorphoses, in myself, in you, and in the theosophical groups here represented, and especially in the theosophical movement as a unit. May 2007 find us growing more connected in Brotherhood with each other.
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> Marie
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> Subject: Theos-World Adyar Irrelevant?
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> Friends, 
> 
> It has been a recurrent temptation, for human groups,
> to declare other groups irrelevant. 
> 
> Those theos-talkers who are not members of the Adyar 
> TS might therefore say that Adyar "makes no difference",
> or that it is dead, and so on. 
> 
> Sometimes even individuals declare that this or that 
> group, or some individual, is irrelevant. 
> 
> This is not what the esoteric philosophy teaches. Theosophy 
> says that every part of the universe is alive and relevant.
> To deny the relevance of a human being, or of a human group,
> is but the demonstration of the fact that one's mind has 
> closed itself to life and to what could be called 
> "otherness" -- the other. But I have to agree that it sounds 
> comfortable to say that those who think different from us are 
> unimportant, or are "finished", or are crazy, or inferior, 
> and so on. 
> 
> Adyar TS's relevance to the movement as a whole is much 
> greater than many would like it to be. I myself would
> prefer a more diversified movement, but that does not prevent
> me from accepting the facts. 
> 
> Right now, the Adyar TS may have some 30,000 members. 
> If we put the Pasadena TS, the ULT, the Edmonton TS, and
> the Point Loma groups all together -- how many students 
> and theosophical workers can we have? Some 3,000? 
> Some 5,000 or 7,000 perhaps? 
> 
> How many sincere and active individuals do not not belong 
> to any group? 
> 
> Still, Adyar TS has the vast majority of theosophists. 
> 
> Allow me to make a parenthesis now. 
> 
> It is perhaps worthwhile to record at this point 
> a funny thing involving the Letters from Masters. 
> The so-called "Only Letter from the 
> Maha-Chohan" in fact is not a Letter; it is not from 
> the Maha-Chohan; and it is not the only one. 
> 
> It is not a letter; it is a report on a conversation. 
> It is not from the Maha-Chohan; it was written by 
> another Master who talked to the Maha-Chohan 
> and made the report on the conversation. And it is 
> not the only one; because there are at least two other
> Letters from Masters which report on views given by 
> the "Great Master". It is in one of these 
> other reports -- which is published in the "Mahatma 
> Letters" (I can bring the bibliographical reference 
> here) -- that one reads that "the TS will never perish,
> although individual branches will die". 
> 
> Of course, the expression "Theosophical Society" 
> meant at the time "theosophical movement". The movement 
> will never die. We should not think in corporative or 
> bureaucratic terms.
> 
> But even so, the Adyar TS Movement cannot be easily 
> declared "irrelevant" -- if we mean to be realistic 
> in our assessment. 
> 
> One can say that the present tide is low for Adyar. 
> That is true. But what about Blavatky / Judge groups? 
> Are them all in a shining moment? 
> 
> The key to it is that the movement is but one at the 
> occult level, if you take Adyar 'ritualistic appendixes' 
> apart. The tide is essentially the same for theosophical
> groups and lodges. 
> 
> Some parts of the movement have a much more authentic energy, 
> which is far from perfect,though. 
> 
> Other parts have a much worse energy, which is not entirely 
> useless and are definitely not all beyond recovery. But all 
> parts of the Universe are united everywhere. Thhis is true
> for our solar system, true for human mind -- and for the 
> theosophical movement as well. 
> 
> As to the heresy of separativeness -- from which emerge 
> such brilliant ideas as "Adyar is irrelevant",or "Pasadena 
> TS is too small", or "the ULT is wrong in this or that",
> or "the Edmonton Theosophical Society does not make much 
> of a difference" -- it can find its nice phrases, yes, 
> its would-be plausible slogans, but it is not effective. 
> 
> Nothing is irrelevant in life. 
> 
> Not even the heresy of separativeness is devoid of 
> relevance. It is significant -- for the preservation
> of our narrow-mindedness. It is decisive for enhancing the 
> weakness of the movement. It greatly helps our mediocrity.
> It makes our spiritual ignorance shine in a remarkable way. 
> 
> Things have a mysterious way to transmit themselves in this
> unique, invisible fabric of thoughts ( both conscious and 
> unconscious ) which makes and sustains the theosophical 
> movement as a whole.
> 
> All major historical trends since the 1890s -- when 
> outer fragmentation of the movement started -- have 
> transmited themselves throughout the movement in an 
> undeclared but effective way. Let's see a few examples. 
> 
> 1) There is something essential in common between the ULT 
> Declaration (1909) and G. de P.'s Fraternization Movement.
> 
> 2) The editorial trend to get back to Masters/HPB 
> literature (since the 1910s with the ULT and up to the 
> end of B. de Zirkoff's life) had the cooperation of people
> from different groups, and even where there was no outer 
> cooperation, everyone tended to the same direction: back 
> to the Source. The ULT was in the first origin of that 
> impulse, which only later reached Adyar, and which Zirkoff
> led and expressed at a bigger and more external dimension. 
> 
> 3) Since the 1990s, a widely unconscious and unspoken but 
> rather strong disappointment with the non-appearance of the
> Individual Messenger who was waited for the period 1975-2000
> has been,to my view, something important, though issuing its
> influence under the surface. 
> 
> 4) If you make a graphic ( a line ) of vitality for the 
> Adyar TS in the period 1975-2006, you will see that the 
> early 1990s lived the highest point of a definite attempt 
> to renew its international leadership, an attempt led by 
> Ms. Radha ; and then something went wrong perhaps. Pasadena
> is renewing itself now. The ULT is going ahead quietly and
> steadily. Edmonton TS seems OK. Other initiatives spread and 
> flourish, like the movement in Russia. The whole movement
> is renewing itself as the recent Russian experience 
> exemplifies. Yet many workers felt that things got tougher 
> from 2000-2001. But one might add: "much tougher, and much 
> more worthwhile, too". 
> 
> 5) The movement is in a low tide, perhaps; but it
> is in the low tides that the higher ones are prepared. 
> 
> If I may close with something abstract, and speaking of 
> tides, I will say that in the year 1975 Saturn, the Karma 
> and Time Cycle master, was in about the same position 
> as in 2004-2005. Its action is slow and gradual, but 
> steady. 
> 
> Best regards, Carlos. 
> 
> 
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