Theos-Talk Archives (December 2006 Message tt00657)

More Jung Shadow-side


   C. Silva writes: <I imagine that Karma 
is equilibrialised?  The dark becomes the light.>


    I don't really know what you mean by 
that.  Its all just a concept-structure, 
or a paradigm, which might work, which is 
what anything is regardless.


    Of course there would be outside karma 
from being a thief, but also a ton of 
inside Karma, from the torture of trying 
to overcome the affliction.  I was trying 
to figure out how in the heck drug-addicts 
got such overwhelming karma, seemingly 
being about helpless to overcome their 
affliction.  It seemed that before they 
were addicted, they had a choice and gave 
up their will and surrendered to the 
euphoria of the drug.  Then..... when 
they wanted to use their will again to 
escape the drug, they no longer could, 
because of the number of times they had 
sacrificed and surrendered their will-power.  
They had willingly surrendered their 
free-will to something else, and would 
have to pay a giant price to get it back 
- which many can't and end up croaking.


    The "shadow-side" idea that Levy 
uses has a lot of truths in it I think, 
but I don't buy him demonizing Bush, 
who isn't much worse than any body else.  
One wonders how all these esoteric ideas 
get wedded to ultra- liberal- disconnected- 
from- practical reality political ideas. 
'Also don't agree with the idea of there 
being no outside metaphysical beings - 
and that its all just dissociated psychic 
complexes.


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<1. Re: Re  Jung's Shadow-side
    Posted by: "Cass Silva" silva_cass@yahoo.com
silva_cass
    Date: Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:41 pm ((PST))

<I imagine that Karma is equilibrialised?  The dark
becomes the light.
<Cass

<Mark Jaqua <proto37@yahoo.com> wrote:                
                 
<Re Meeting the other Within
 
 <Silva's post of Levy's article on 
 the "Shadow-side" in Jungian psychology 
 is full of truths, and not inconsistent 
 with Theosophy.   See for instance the 
 section in the MLs on probation and chela-ship. 
 "Human nature is dual" says the teacher 
 in the MLs.  Its interesting while using 
 Jung, Levy is also a Tibetan Buddhist.  
 
 <One of the mistakes the Jungians 
 make, I think, is that of assuming this 
 "shadow-side" is a stasis.  It changes 
 too, and the whole process of evolution 
 is this constant change centered around 
 a center in the whole psyche which 
 becomes stronger, which is not the work 
 of a single life-time.  Say for instance, 
 10 incarnations ago one was a thief, 
 and had the urge to steal when ever one 
 could.  After fighting and ignoring this 
 urge for incarnations, it gradually 
 disappears from the shadow-side, ignored 
 into non-existence, and now the thought 
 of stealing almost never enters one's 
 mind.  Of course it is not all so simple.  
 A hedonist for 10 incarnations who 
 decides to live an ascetic life, will 
 find eventually he just cannot do it.  
 His whole psyche will disintegrate, as 
 the previous center of his psyche, and 
 the skandhas developed, is somewhere else.  
 So the only solution becomes one of 
 moderation and progress.  Etc. etc. A 
 Theosophical teaching is that the Dhyan 
 Chohans, or "gods" used to be human, and 
 passed through our stage.  What became 
 of their "shadow side?"
 
 <- jake j.
 
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 <<9. Meeting the other within
     Posted by: "Cass Silva" silva_cass@yahoo.com 
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silva_cass
     Date: Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:53 pm ((PST))
 
 <<Long but worth the read
 Cass
 
 <<MEETING THE OTHER WITHIN
 << By Paul Levy...................

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