Theos-Talk Archives (December 2006 Message tt00545)

Again Carl,
Thanks for clearing this subject up for me.  If he was good enough for HPB, I had better make it my new years resolution to read what he has to say.

Again thanks
Cass

Carl Ek <carl.ek@mail.com> wrote:                                  Cass,
 
 Let H.P. Blavatsky's own word on W.Q. Judge speak for them self:
 
 "Thanks for all, my dear old chum [W.Q.J.]; may the Masters protect 
 him. His ever and till and AFTER death."
 
 "My dear W.Q.J. . . . my only friend . . . Judge has done for me so 
 much lately, I owe him such gratitude, there is nothing I would do 
 for him . . . `Pon my word, I never knew I cared so much for him 
 personally. . . . I will never forget Judge's loyalty and devotion, 
 his unswerving friendship. . . ."
 " Judge . . . whom I trusted more perhaps than I did Olcott or 
 myself."
 
 "Master wants Judge to be elected for life, for reasons of His own – 
 that's God's truth, . . .Less than you would I want to see X ______ 
 or anyone (save Judge) elected for life . . . But if I do not like 
 the idea it is because I trust no one any longer, save Judge, and 
 Olcott perhaps. I have lost my last faith in mankind and see and 
 smell (rightly, if you please) Judases everywhere. But with Judge it 
 is different . . ."
 
 "I trust Judge more than anyone in the world."
 
 [To W.Q.Judge] "Well, sir and my only friend, the crisis is nearing. 
 I am ending my S.D. and you are going to replace me, or take my 
 place in America. . . . I rather lose the whole American lot to the 
 last man, X _______ included, than YOU."
 
 (The Irish Theosophist in June, 1895)
 
 London Oct. 23, 1889
 
 "The idea is absurd and preposterous . . . H.P.B. would give . . . 
 the whole esoteric bood in the U.S.A. for one W.Q.J. who is part of 
 herself since several aeons . . . .
 
 "He or she, who believes that under any circumstances whatever, 
 provocations, gossips, slander or anything devised by the enemy 
 H.P.B. will ever dream even of going against W. Q. J. -- does not 
 know H P B -- even if he or she does know H. P. Blavatsky, or thinks 
 he knows her.
 
 DIXI. H.P.B. &#61532;"
 "Take my place in America now & after I am gone — at Adyar."
 
   H.P.B. to W.Q.J. 
 (http://blavatskyarchives.com/hpbwqj81287.htm)
 
 "The Esoteric Section and its life in the U.S.A. depends on W.Q.J. 
 remaining its agent & what he is now. The day W.Q.J. resigns, H.P.B. 
 will be virtually dead for the Americans. W.Q.J. is the Antaskarana 
 between the two Manas (es), the American thought & the Indian – or 
 rather the trans-Himalayan Esoteric Knowledge. DIXI.
 
 P.S. W.Q.J. had show, & impress this on the minds of all those whom 
 it may concern"
         
   H.P.B.
 
 H.P.B.'s last words make it far clearer how enormously important 
 William Q. Judge was for the Movement:
 
 "KEEP THE LINK (the Antaskarana) UNBROKEN! DO NOT LET MY LAST 
 INCARNATION BE A FAILURE."
 
 Carl
 
 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
 >
 > Yes you are right Carl it was The Ocean of Theosophy.  As it put 
 me off, I didn't read any other of his works.  I still feel more 
 drawn to others such as Purucker, Baborka,Gardner.  Why do you say 
 Judge was the most important contributor after HPB?   For me it is 
 like comparing apples and oranges?
 > 
 > Cass
 > 
 > Carl Ek <carl.ek@...> wrote:                                  Cass,
 >  You wrote that you found Judge "writing to have too much of a 
 >  religious flavour to them". I think you are referring too The 
 Ocean 
 >  of Theosophy. I'm I right? We must not forget, something many 
 have 
 >  done day, that that book was written by Judge with members of the 
 >  Christen American middleclass in mind, which as well was seekers. 
 >  Nether his articles, Esoteric Instructions or his Occult novels 
 >  could be called religious flavoured.
 >  
 >  You also wrote "Judge was a contributor, no more". Yes, a 
 >  contributor, but the second must important contributor after H.P. 
 >  Blavatsky.
 >  
 >  Carl
 >  
 >  --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@> wrote:
 >  >
 >  > 
 >  > 
 >  > carlosaveline <carlosaveline@> 
 >  wrote:                                  Friends,
 >  >  
 >  >  Nobody is perfect, and Alice Cleather was not.  Caldwell 
 >  tirelessly repeats an evidence for that,  in the posting 
 indicated 
 >  below. 
 >  >  
 >  >  A. Cleather was wrong with regard to W. Judge, and she was not 
 >  the only one.  
 >  >  Cass: How do you know?
 >  >  Also H.S. Olcott made a grave mistake against W. Judge, and 
 >  Olcott expressed his deep self-criticism right before dying, in a 
 >  conversation with Laura Holloway which was  published (and thus 
 >  somewhat authenticated) by the very Adyar TS.
 >  > Cass: But can they be trusted? 
 >  >  Judge has been of the utmost importance for the theosophical 
 >  movement. 
 >  > 
 >  > Cass: Judge was a contributor, no more.
 >  >  
 >  >  Nearly everyone in the Adyar TS who goes beyond Besant's 
 >  ritualistic/clairvoyant  fancies "discovers" William Judge;   and 
 I 
 >  am no exception to the general rule. 
 >  > 
 >  > 
 >  > 
 >  > Cass:   I, for one, did not "discover" William Judge.  I found 
 his 
 >  writing to have too much of a religious flavour to them.
 >  > 
 >  > 
 >  >  Geoffrey Farthing, about whom we were talking yesterday,  had 
 >  deep admiration for him. 
 >  >  
 >  >  Judge is a giant.  All we have to do, ion order to see that,  
 is 
 >  to look at the fruits of his work, 110 years later. 
 >  > 
 >  > Cass: No man is an Island, when it comes to Theosophy.  
 >  > 
 >  > Cass 
 >  >  Regards,  Carlos. 
 >  >  
 >  >  De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
 >  >  
 >  >  Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
 >  >  
 >  >  Cópia:
 >  >  
 >  >  Data:Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:29:53 -0000
 >  >  
 >  >  Assunto:Theos-World A 4th Version of Theosophical History
 >  >  
 >  >  > Mr. Carlos Aveline apparently places a great deal of stock 
 in 
 >  what 
 >  >  > Alice Cleather says about certain events in Theosophical 
 >  history.
 >  >  > 
 >  >  ://mail.terra.com.br/
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