Theos-Talk Archives (December 2006 Message tt00502)

Thanks Dennis,
Good to know that Judge had HPB's seal of approval, and that communications were to be between Judge and HPB ( not the masters).  

So the heads of the Esoteric Section of the TS were
Judge in America (1888)
Olcott in Asia (1889)
and Besant as Chief Secretary (not dated)

Maybe I am reading too much into this but the tone of Besant's appointment is totally different from the tone in the other two appointments.  Why mention the Masters approval in one and not in the other two?  Why speak of communication with H.P.B, when in the other two, she signs herself off as H.P. Blavatsky?

Anyway after the death of HPB all others that followed were translators of her works.

Cass



Dennis Kier <kier10@ca.rr.com> wrote:                                  HPB Appoints WQJ her Representative in America - only.
 
 H. P. Blavatsky Collected Writings, Vol. X, Page 195. - middle of the 
 page...
 
 HPB signed the following document.
 
 As Head of the Esoteric Section of the Theosophical Society I hereby declare 
 that William Q. Judge of New York, U.S., in virtue of his character as a 
 chela of thirteen years standing and of the trust and confidence reposed in 
 him, is my only representative for said section in America and he is the 
 sole channel through whom will be sent and received all communications 
 between the members of said Section and myselj, and to him full faith, 
 confidence and credit in that regard are to be given. Done at London this 
 fourteenth day of December, 1888, and in the Fourteenth year of the 
 Theosophical Society (s) H. P. Blavatsky
 
 *************
 
 H. P. Blavatsky Collected Writings, Vol. XII, Pages 484.
 
 In 1889, Col. H. S. Olcott made a protracted visit to Europe, during which 
 he saw H.P.B. for the last time. The day before he left London for Colombo, 
 Lanka, she handed to him the following document:
 
 Theosophical Society, Esoteric Section,
 
 London, 25th December, 1889
 
 I hereby appoint Colonel H. S. Olcott my confidential agent and sole 
 official representative of the Esoteric Section for Asiatic countries.
 
 All correspondence relative to admission into, and resignation from, the 
 Section shall be referred to him, and all Instructions transmitted by him, 
 and his decision is to be taken and accepted as given by myself. Such 
 correspondence to be invariably marked 'Private' on the envelope. (Signed) 
 H. P. Blavatsky.
 
 And on page 485 is the following:
 
 Esoteric Section [TS Seal] H. P. Blavatsky
 
 E. S. ORDER
 
 I hereby appoint in the name of the MASTER, Annie Besant Chief Secretary of 
 the Inner Group of the Esoteric Section & recorder of the Teachings. H. P. 
 B.
 
 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: "Cass Silva" <silva_cass@yahoo.com>
 To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 3:39 PM
 Subject: Re: Theos-World Judge's Legacy to the Movement
 
 Yes you are right Carl it was The Ocean of Theosophy.  As it put me off, I 
 didn't read any other of his works.  I still feel more drawn to others such 
 as Purucker, Baborka,Gardner.  Why do you say Judge was the most important 
 contributor after HPB?   For me it is like comparing apples and oranges?
 
 Cass
 
 Carl Ek <carl.ek@mail.com> wrote:                                  Cass,
  You wrote that you found Judge "writing to have too much of a
  religious flavour to them". I think you are referring too The Ocean
  of Theosophy. I'm I right? We must not forget, something many have
  done day, that that book was written by Judge with members of the
  Christen American middleclass in mind, which as well was seekers.
  Nether his articles, Esoteric Instructions or his Occult novels
  could be called religious flavoured.
 
 You also wrote "Judge was a contributor, no more". Yes, a
  contributor, but the second must important contributor after H.P.
  Blavatsky.
 
 Carl
 
 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
  >
  >
  >
  > carlosaveline <carlosaveline@...>
  wrote:                                  Friends,
  >
  >  Nobody is perfect, and Alice Cleather was not.  Caldwell
  tirelessly repeats an evidence for that,  in the posting indicated
  below.
  >
  >  A. Cleather was wrong with regard to W. Judge, and she was not
  the only one.
  >  Cass: How do you know?
  >  Also H.S. Olcott made a grave mistake against W. Judge, and
  Olcott expressed his deep self-criticism right before dying, in a
  conversation with Laura Holloway which was  published (and thus
  somewhat authenticated) by the very Adyar TS.
  > Cass: But can they be trusted?
  >  Judge has been of the utmost importance for the theosophical
  movement.
  >
  > Cass: Judge was a contributor, no more.
  >
  >  Nearly everyone in the Adyar TS who goes beyond Besant's
  ritualistic/clairvoyant  fancies "discovers" William Judge;   and I
  am no exception to the general rule.
  >
  >
  >
  > Cass:   I, for one, did not "discover" William Judge.  I found his
  writing to have too much of a religious flavour to them.
  >
  >
  >  Geoffrey Farthing, about whom we were talking yesterday,  had
  deep admiration for him.
  >
  >  Judge is a giant.  All we have to do, ion order to see that,  is
  to look at the fruits of his work, 110 years later.
  >
  > Cass: No man is an Island, when it comes to Theosophy.
  >
  > Cass
  >  Regards,  Carlos.
  >
  >  De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
  >
  >  Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
  >
  >  Cópia:
  >
  >  Data:Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:29:53 -0000
  >
  >  Assunto:Theos-World A 4th Version of Theosophical History
  >
  >  > Mr. Carlos Aveline apparently places a great deal of stock in
  what
  >  > Alice Cleather says about certain events in Theosophical
  history.
  >  >
  >  ://mail.terra.com.br/
  >
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