Theos-Talk Archives (December 2006 Message tt00387)

Mr. Aveline from time to time refers to my supposed "attacks" on the 
ULT and Robert Crosbie.

Of course, he never gives specifics as to what he considers an 
attack.  And he doesn't deal with the substance of the attacks or 
criticisms.

For example, what particular statements have been made about ULT or 
DES or Robert Crosbie that have been "false" or untrue? Can he name 
one or two or three or four examples?

But as I have previously stated, I have ALSO criticized Leadbeater 
and the Adyar TS since at least 1975.  

So by Mr. Aveline's same remarkable "logic", I suppose I have also 
been attacking the Adyar TS.  

But I guess that my criticisms and questioning of Leadbeater may be 
okay with Mr. Aveline, since he too likes to dish out criticisms on 
Leadbeater, Besant and the Adyar TS.

As a student of the history of the Theosophical Movement, I am mainly 
concerned with the truth or falsity of historical statements that 
various ULT writers have made about the ULT, its origins, etc. and 
the claims made by and for Robert Crosbie (the founder of the ULT). 

The SAME for Adyar writers and their statements about the TS Adyar 
and Mrs. Besant and Mr. Leadbeater, etc.

And THE SAME for other writers of other Theosophical groups.....

If I am really "attacking" the ULT, what is my motive for doing so? 

Mr. Aveline has vaguely suggested my motive might be political or 
that I have infiltrated the movement.  From where? And why?  

Of course, apparently it suits Mr. Aveline's own purposes to keep all 
of these suggestions as vague as possible.

Maybe my motive is to get at the truth, the facts whether it be about 
Adyar or ULT, Leadbeater or Crosbie or whatever topic it might be....

Previously on Theos-Talk I have recommended some of the excellent 
publications of the Theosophy Co.  And I do not denigrate
individual members of the ULT.  In fact, the vast majority of them 
are no doubt good and sincere people.

But I have raised some questions and issues that I assume certain ULT 
associates including Mr. Aveline do like to hear about.  Therefore it 
is understandable that Mr. Aveline tries to devalue and discount my 
observations and criticisms just as yesterday he tried to desperately 
discount and dismiss Dr. Tillett's observations about ULT.

My impression is that Mr. Aveline doesn't mind anyone asking hard 
questions about the Adyar TS and Leadbeater but for reasons best 
known to Mr. Aveline he doesn't want Carl Ek, Gregory Tillett or me 
asking similarly hard questions and making frank observations about 
the ULT and Crosbie.

Why?

Daniel
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