Theos-Talk Archives (December 2006 Message tt00186)

Carl,


You say:  

"I have noticed this kind of behavior before, and then from persons that have been denied membership in a Masonic Lodge, or have been kicked out."

I say: 

"Neither of them. I have good relationship with masons. I just happen to be a student of HPB and the Mahatmas and brought here the result of my studies, with all due bibliographical references."

I have personal studies and writings on the extremely positive and decisive historical influence of Masons in the process of independence in Brazil, in 1817-1824. And --  a research project about that.  Masonry started here by 1817 in organized form.  By 1789-92, there was the first attempt for independence, but by then there was only individual masons, no lodge, and a general sympathy fopr masonic ideals.  By 1822, political independence came.  The masonic ideals are essentially theosophical and perfectly valid today.   

Alessandro Cagliostro, whose various biographies I had to study in French, was a great theosophist and mason. His authentic Egyptian Rite of Masonry, created in Lyon and  whose documents I have in book  form in French language, was superb. I also have with me and studied the ritual of initiation of Plato in ancient Egypt, published by Manly P. Hall's PRS. And so on.

But HPB/Masters conception of theosophical movement is different and away from any ritualism. Et pour cause. And for a good reason.  

Regards,  Carlos. 


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Data:Tue, 05 Dec 2006 07:37:09 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Mr. Aveline, the Anti-Mason

> Yes, I thinks so, he most be that. Hence he is continuing to spread 
> his fantasies and lies about Freemasonry. I have noticed this kind 
> of behavior before, and then from persons that have been denied 
> membership in a Masonic Lodge, or have been kicked out. But this can 
> not be case with Mr. Aveline; hence his level of Masonic knowledge 
> is not much to talk about. As he has proven him self.
> 
> Aveline wrote:
> "The masonic tradition cannot be said to be entirely bad at all 
> times, ever. It got more severely infiltrated since 17th-18th 
> centuries. Especially from 18th century."
> See: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/38313
> 
> My only comment to the first sentence is; What do want to prove with 
> that, Mr. Aveline? And don't start to talk about something else in a 
> respond to this, and hide behind Blavatsky by saying "It was not I 
> that said that, it was HPB". I can assure you, that if you hade done 
> that for real, she would have kicked you away, like a street dog. 
> 
> The first real infiltration in Freemasonry made by christens was 
> when Magister Johann August Starck (he converted from Lutheranism to 
> Roman Catholicism) "made" a unification between "Das Clericat" 
> (founded 1767), under him self, and the "Strict Observance" (founded 
> 1743), under Karl Gotthelf Freiherr von Hund, in 1769. This only 
> lasted a few years. The second real infiltration within Freemasonry 
> of christens (Lutherans) was during 1850th-60th in the Swedish Rite 
> lodges (which has one of its sources Strict Observance, and was 
> originally (before the entrance of the Lutheran pastors) probably 
> the most Occult of all Masonic Rites and Systems) in Scandinavia, 
> Germany and Russia. This is over today, but it more or less 
> destroyed this originally wonderful and excellent Rite of 
> Freemasonry. 
> 
> Not even Pastor James Anderson would ever hade dreamed about making 
> the Masonic Lodges some form of annexes to the church.
> 
> During the history have the Catholics accused the Masonic Lodges to 
> be infiltrated and controlled by Protestants, and the Protestants 
> has on their side accused the Freemasons to infiltrated and 
> controlled by the Jesuits. The Communists has accused the Freemasons 
> for being undercover Capitalist clubs, and the Capitalists have 
> accused the Freemasons to be secret Socialists propaganda centrals 
> (this have some Catholics done to). The National Socialists was 
> talking about some strange conspiracy together with the Jews. And 
> many Christians ("new-born" ones, primitive Baptists, Pentecostals 
> etc) have called the Freemasons for devil worshipers. 
> 
> So, in which anti-Masonic league, do Mr. Aveline belong?
> 
> For never, ever has Theosophy been anti-Masonic, and it will never 
> be that. But in the Calvinist-theosophy (ULTianism) of ULT could 
> everything happen. 
> 
> "If asked how a profane can know it, the answer comes: ancient and 
> modern Freemasonry are an obligatory study with every Eastern 
> Occultist.
> 
> BCW vol.XI, p, 71
> 
> W.Bro. Carl Ek, PM, IX°, 30°
> Lodge No. 876 Adoniram
> Corr. Fellow of Q.Q.
> 
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