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Re: Theos-World Mark, Duane and Occultism

Nov 30, 2006 03:41 PM
by Duane Carpenter


Hi Carlos
  Thank you for your wisdom and insights. You are by design a natural mediator. your statement "...that their is a sad absence of any authentic feeling of co-resposibility for the planet or for the destiny of our present civilization" says much  The teachings given in Theosophy about the sutratma and building the Antahkarana  are about building bridges. Veritically up into the hidden realms of spirit but also horizontally out into the world of man. If occult groups and organizations cannot exchange ideas about different  subjects without antagonism then how are we to exspect average humanity who without hardly any training to get it together?. Should we not be setting an example to those younger students who may be  just stepping onto the path? Not to falsely inflate the importance of what any of us say here on the net but is it not staggering in its implications that people from all around the world can read with interrest what some of the best Theosophical minds have to
 offer?. Rumi in one of his poems that I cannot presently find asks the reader to imagine that this next conversation he or she  might have with there fellow man is  their very last. Would it make any difference in the quality or tone of what we would communicate to each other?. The internet and its use is both a  privelege and a responsibility that  goes way beyond our monthly fees.  Should we not treat it as if it were our own child? Giving it both love and the spiritual nourishment it deserves. 
  Thank you all for sharing your vast knowledge and many insights about Theosophy. I wish you all high marks in God's little school. 
  Sincerely  D-

carlosaveline <carlosaveline@terra.com.br> wrote:
          Dear Mark (Jake), Dear Duane, 

I would like to write to you both, as well as to all other friends here. 

Perhaps it is easy to rationally show that, from the strictly Occult point of view, Alice Bailey books have several important limitations. 

But besides the points I listed before, in another posting, explaining why I have a broad sympathy for World Goodwil -- I can add something more. 

A poor and limited rational framework can produce good results, in some circumstances, Jake; just as a highly precise and rationaly correct framework of mind can produce no results. 

Many factors make that a fact. 

This is proved, in my view, for the fact that in certain moment the North-American 19th century free-thinker D. M. Bennett, who did not even believe in the concept of Adepts (!) , was described by a Mahatma as a most valuable lay chela !) , with moving words in the ML which I can bring here; while dozens of "conscious lay chelas", with full access to all literature, failed miserably because of selfishness in their hearts and minds. 

This is something to think about. 

It its a common place and certainly a consensus that Theosophy was never given to the world for its students to get proud of their "scholarship" ort "status" and attach themselves to narcistic "spiritual" feelings. 

It has been stated thousands of times by HPB/Masters (though not so by CWL-AB) that it is our will to help mankind, the great orphan (and not to help any corporation) that will give us the right to be "under higher observation", and to really learn, etc. 

What we see, though, even in some circles of HPB/Masters, is an sad absence of any authentic feeling of co-responsibility for the planet or for the destiny of our present "civilization". 

Well my dear friends Duane and Jake, I guess World Goodwill has something to teach us all as to planetary compassion, global solidarity, and world citizenship. 

So, A. Bailey and World Goodwill may have great limitations in a way -- and other quarters of the movement also have their own degrees of limitations --; 
but they have something to teach us, as they have something to learn from us.

I don't think that the words above are, or can be, more than a very limited suggestion of something. I count on your goodwill in reading them. 

Regards, Carlos. 

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