Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt01405)

Adelasie,


I hope you can understand,  in my previous posting, that I allowed myself a little bit of license with words, on purpose, and counting on some amount of generous goodwill on the part of readers.  

In talks and workshops, I allow myself a license for a good deal of metaphors and I use words in different levels of meaning, which is also a kind of "detachment exercise".  

I guess attachment to pet words and pet meanings in words is part of narrow-mindedness,  and hence it is part of spiritual blindness.  

Theos-talk is not always about fighting around words, you know. Or it should not be. 

I never said plants had to take personal decisions... :-) 

Yet I said that nature (and in a way plants, too) looks, so to say, for the best solutions,  without the need to think about that, as we do think. 

And I can add now: a Sage will not have to "think it over", either, in some cases; as he will "choose" and make choices in a way that is spontaneously wise, in a similar way as Nature does. A Sage works like Nature.  He has identified himself with the laws of Nature. 

Hence we can learn from Sages... and from Nature, too.  

Nature, from the mineral real, has its own ways to choose.  Judgement, of course, is totally implicit in the case of plants.  Yet plants "choose" the best way to get sunlight, and soil nutrients, and so on. 

I think I can count on the fact that  your heart is bigger than  the habit of fighting for words, 

Carlos. 





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Data:Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:21:34 -0800

Assunto:Re: Theos-World Do Plants Judge?

> Carlos,
> 
> We could probably express the activity of plants with a different 
> word than one which connotates rewards and punishments and decisions 
> about personal worth. We could possibly agree that plants have 
> consciousness, that everything has, indeed is, consciousness. The 
> plant world is ruled by the elementals, who function according to the 
> law of their nature, as indeed does every living thing, except 
> perhaps mankind. They do not need to make decisions about anything. 
> If there is adequate habitat, they flourish, if not, they do not. But 
> they grow and bloom according to their ability to do so. Plants do 
> not have self-consciiousness, which is to say, they are not conscious 
> that they are conscious. The same is true of evey manifestation of 
> nature until we come to mankind. Only we, in all creation, know that 
> we know, and only we, there for, have the right, and the 
> responsibililty, to choose what course to take in our every thought, 
> word and deed. We too do best if we function in accord with the law 
> of our nature (Unity of all Life, Love, Brotherhood, Altruism, things 
> like that) but we frequently choose otherwise, hence the karmic 
> tangle we currently find ourselves in. We can learn a lot from the 
> plants, who simply live, expressing their gratitude in the beauty and 
> healthy environment they so lavishly create for us to live in. 
> 
> On 30 Nov 2006 at 10:41, carlosaveline wrote:
> 
> > Cass, 
> > 
> > You said well, your plants do not APPEAR to judge. 
> > 
> > There are two reasons why you don't SEE the judgements made by your plants. 
> > 
> > One is that you did not read and meditate on Plotinus or the "Secret Doctrine" enough. 
> > 
> > The second is that you do not talk to your plants. 
> > 
> > I don't do such a talking, but many women do with good results in plant-growing. My wife, a Taurean, earth-sign, also communicates with them much better than I, in an objective level. I share feelings with them in a much more abstract, but equally real, dimension. You should read the 1980s best-seller book "The Secret Life of Plants". And other works along that line. 
> > 
> > As we live in a rural property, we can see the energetic difference between city and living, intelligent nature! 
> > 
> > Besides, and talking more "three-dimensionally", you would be surprised to see what a tree and other plants can do in order to survive and to get better nourishment. 
> > 
> > They do not have to think as we do to "get the best alternative" of action. Yet they get it. 
> > 
> > From the mineral level, the universe is an alternating process of attraction and rejection, and there is something of judgement, or choice, about that. 
> > 
> > Carlos. 
> >
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