Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt01350)

Is Aveline Ignoring Important Facts 
about Crosbie, Tingley & Judge????  Why?

Yet Aveline is eager to find out and disseminate information
about Leadbeater and Besant. 

Aveline always seems concerned when the Adyar TS promotes misleading
information about Mr. Leadbeater, so where is his conscience and
concern in this matter when it comes to Mrs. Tingley and what the
Theosophy Co./ULT is promoting about Mrs. Tingley?

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Carlos Aveline writes:

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2) The fact that Mr. Judge had a trust-relationship with Robert
Crosbie (which is a fact) does not mean, at all, that he did not have
trust-relationships with other theosophists as well. Judge did have
other trust-relationships, of course. So please don't use those words
to suggest that according to the ULT Mr. Judge only had trust in
Robert Crosbie, and in no one else. I hope you can understand this.
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You say this trust-relationship is a "fact". Can you tell us what
you are basing this statement of yours on? Do you have a primary
source? Or is this just hear-say or are you just saying it because
you've heard it somewhere?

So from what you are saying here then you must know what Jasper
Niemand said about the relationship between Judge and Tingley.
Right? If you have perchance forgotten it in the flurry of postings
that you regularly dash off to Theos-Talk, I will give it below for
your careful mental review. Here it is:

Jasper Niemand wrote:

". . . the present Outer Head [Mrs. Tingley] has for
two years past assisted Mr. Judge in the inner work of
the School as his associate and equal. Some of these
Councillors were doing important work under her
directions, and by the order of Mr. Judge, for some
time before he passed away. . . . For myself, I may
say that as early as June, 1894, Mr. Judge told me of
the standing of the present Outer Head in the school,
and spoke of her work at that time and for the future.
I am one among several to whom he so spoke himself.
. . . ."

Jasper Niemand was the compiler of the two volumes of
W.Q. Judge's "Letters That Have Helped Me."

Now Carlos please pay attention here. What Jasper says above is fully
confirmed by the following words of Mr. Crosbie:

". . . Katherine Tingley . . . was appointed by
William Q. Judge as his successor."

"We feel that he [William Q. Judge] knows of the
self-sacrificing efforts made by the faithful ones,
and that those efforts have been called forth by his
chosen successor [Mrs. Tingley], of whom he said, 'she
is true as steel, as clear as diamond, and as lasting
as time.' "

Here are two of Judge's "confidants" giving testimony about Mrs.
Tingley.

Yet if you have ever read and carefully studied the material on Mrs.
Tingley as given by the ULT writers/Theosophy Magazine editors in the
2 volumes of THE THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT (volumes sold by Theosophy Co.
and sold by ULT lodges), the above testimony by Robert Crosbie and
Jasper Niemand is TOTALLY IGNORED.

In both volumes a terribly negative picture is given of Mrs. Tingley
and it is asserted in these 2 volumes that Mrs. Tingley was either
somehow involved in a fraud following Mr. Judge's death or that she
was some psychic of the deluded kind. Please read the chapters in
these two books to refresh your memory.

Even the late Dallas TenBroeck has painted here on Theos-Talk a quite
negative picture of Mrs. Tingley.

Why have the above ULT writers completely ignored the positive
testimony I cited from Robert Crosbie and Jasper Niemand??

And why does the Theosophy Company and the ULT lodges in 2006
continue to promote this NEGATIVE view of Mrs. Tingley in this
book????

This is not old history Carlos but something happening in 2006.

New students and inquirers in 2006 and in future years who come
across Theosophy Company/ULT literature is going to be influenced by
this negative portrayal of Mrs. Tingley.

As an associate of ULT, aren't you concerned here in 2006 to present
the most accurate information about Theosophical history especially
Mrs. Tingely.

You seem concerned when the Adyar TS promotes misleading
information about Mr. Leadbeater, so where is your conscience and
concern in this matter when it comes to Mrs. Tingley and what the
Theosophy Co./ULT is promoting about Mrs. Tingely?

As to the relationship between the ULT and other Theosophical groups,
do you think it is good for misinformation about Mrs. Tingley to be
still promoted? How do you think this influences members of the
Pasadena TS who hold Mrs. Tingley in high regards??? From speaking
to some of these members, they think it is very unfair that the
Theosophy Co. still promotes this misinformation in one of their
publications.

I hope that you will address this issue and not try to sweep it under
the carpet because the continuing propagation and promotion of this
negative info about Mrs. Tingley is an ongoing problem.

Hoping you will address this issue directly and will do your part to
stop the spread of what can only be called misleading and false
information. Instead please help us in promoting the testimonies of
Japser Niemand and Robert Crosbie as given above.

Daniel

P.S.:  I will not have continuous access to the WWW from time to time 
in the next several weeks so there may be periods of time when I do 
not answer. But never fear I have not perished or lost my way. :)