Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt01239)

MKR,

Thanks for your insighful remarks. 

There is a popular saying in Brazil, which I am sure is known everywhere. It says: 

"In a Land of Blind People, one citizen who can see with one eye is the King". 

But lately people use to make a change in it:

"In a Land of Blind People, one citizen who can see with one eye must be most careful about what he will say!". 

Perhaps that's why the path of the search for truth is usually described as requiring not only Viveka (right vision) but also Virya (courage).  

Regards,  

Carlos.  



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Data:Sun, 26 Nov 2006 07:53:30 -0600

Assunto:Re: Theos-World To Adelasie on Judging

> When Emperor has no clothes, someone should come out and point it out. It is
> just simple common sense and does not need any confirmation from any
> scripture or occult source. It helps the everyone. Internet makes it easy so
> speak up and broadcast! Hopefully help the Emperor as well.
> 
> mkr
> 
> On 11/26/06, carlosaveline wrote:
> >
> > Dear Adelasie,
> >
> > Thanks a lot for your viewpoints.
> >
> > I certainly try to live by the golden rule. In fact i have traced the
> > golden rule to Confucius and Pythagoras, and to the Old Testament.
> >
> > I try to give others the same truthfulness I expect from them.
> >
> > But let me ask: how can we explain the popular but false assumption that
> > it is "unbrotherly and unspiritual" to make evaluations or judgements about
> > other people's actions?
> >
> > The origin of that belief may help us understand it.
> >
> > Medieval Christian Church burned thousands of people alive. It not only
> > judged them but comdemned them to torture followed by death, for the crime
> > of thinking for themselves and of questioning established Opinions.
> >
> > Simultaneously, the same Church piously issued the fashionable thesis and
> > command "do not judge", using it as an unquestionable Christian rule to be
> > followed everywhere and at all times by all common people. Of course,
> > priesthood alone would be in charge of judging ? and condemning.
> >
> > In fact, though, it is common knowledge that all people make judgements.
> > Yet many of them ? pious and religious as they are ? do that in an
> > unconscious way, because they do not allow themselves to think, or to really
> > assess the facts and situations, before getting to a conclusion.
> >
> > In the New Testament, Jesus paradoxically says:
> >
> > "Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. And yet if I judge, my
> > judgement is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me".
> > (John, 8: 15-16.)
> >
> > "Father" corresponds to "Atma", the true Self, the "parent" of a lower
> > self. Judgements, id est, evaluations and assessments made in the presence
> > of Father Atma will be much better than assessments made "after the flesh"
> > or according to appearances and instinctively or automatically.
> >
> > And this, again, will depend on Antahkarana, one's ability to listen to
> > the 'voice of the silence'.
> >
> > The prohibition of "judging" is a paralysis of Manas, the mind. This
> > prohibition of thinking is connected to ancient Taboos which Sigmund Freud
> > analysed well as he tried to explain modern religiously dogmatic behaviour.
> >
> > Surprising as it may be, there are several other important points in which
> > Freud says the same thing as the Esoteric Philosophy, only under a
> > scientific language. He often takes precise photographs of the workings of
> > lower quaternary in human beings.
> >
> > Freud's book "Totem and Taboo" help us explain the 'manasic paralysis', or
> > 'manasic suspension', that we can observe in "theological" operations and in
> > some pseudo-theosophical circles, as well. The pretext for that selective
> > mental paralysis by which people renounce their individual discernment is
> > sometimes "having faith"; other times "not judging".
> >
> > The management of deep collective unconscious fears is the key for the
> > efficiency of such authoritarian group prohibitions against the free use of
> > thought by "common individuals".
> >
> > Best regards, Carlos.
> >
> >
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> > Data:Sat, 25 Nov 2006 06:46:26 -0800
> >
> > Assunto:Re: Theos-World Theosophy Must Be Behind the Curtain
> >
> > > Hi Carlos,
> > >
> > > I hesitate to engage your suggested topic because I don't want to get
> > > involved in some sort of debate. However, the issue of judging our
> > > fellow human beings is an important one in theosophy and all the
> > > ancient teachings. We humans need to understand why our pernicious
> > > habit of acting as judge jury and executioner of our brothers and
> > > sisters is seriously impeding our evolutionary progress.
> > >
> > > It is not for the purpose of trying to convince you of anything,
> > > Carlos, that I respond to your post. It is your right to think and
> > > behave as you wish and see fit, and nobody but you knows what that
> > > constitutes. But in the interest of our subject, theosophy, and of
> > > offering alternate points of view, here are some suggestions.
> > >
> > > The two biblical quotations below seem quite clear to me. They speak
> > > to the necessity for the student of occultism to attend to the inner
> > > qualities in his own life. We sometimes think that if we follow
> > > certain outer practices that we are making progress toward
> > > enlightenment, and, while this may be true is some cases, it is not
> > > the outer practices that are important, not at our stage of the game.
> > > What is important is developing the inner qualities such as self-
> > > control, altruism, service, purity, faith, truth, and devotion. The
> > > outer behavior will follow the inner development.
> > >
> > > The Bible is surely a deeply occult document, full of esoteric
> > > teaching, but it is useful to remember that a literal reading is not
> > > productive of undestanding. As with all occult literature, the real
> > > meaning lies hidden within, to be discovered by the sincere student.
> > >
> > > If we attempt to discover the real meaning of the teachings we have
> > > been so lavishly given, we will find that there is no recommendation
> > > that we human beings judge one another. This is based in the fact of
> > > the Unity of all life. We are not separate from our brothers and
> > > sisters. We are all one. The separation is only an illusion, created
> > > by the apparent differentiation of the One into the many on the
> > > material plane. Our job is to evaluate and improve ourselves, our own
> > > little part of the whole, and to allow others to do the same. We
> > > simply are not qualified to know what is in another's heart.
> > >
> > > This is pretty difficult for us in this materialistic Kali Yuga. We
> > > are all vulnerable to the errors of our times. But it is our next
> > > step in evolution, to embrace the consciousness that all life is One.
> > >
> > > The Golden Rule of all the world's religions is a good place to
> > > start. "Do unto others as you would they do unto you."
> > >
> > > Adelasie
> > >
> > > On 25 Nov 2006 at 9:55, carlosaveline wrote:
> > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > >
> > > > Kindness must be in one´s heart, much more than in one´s outer shell
> > or visible personality.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to extend an invitation to those who believe that "nobody
> > can judge or evaluate anyone else", and also to those who use this popular
> > but wrong saying as a shield to justify the absence of moral or ethical
> > choices.
> > > >
> > > > Would these friends tell us whether they think the New Testament Jesus
> > is wrong, or if that Master is arrogant, or he behaves like a bigot, as he
> > says the words below?
> > > >
> > > > In the New Testament, Jesus confronts the process of façade-building
> > and make-believe with these words:
> > > >
> > > > "How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees! You
> > hypocrites! You clean the outside of your cup and plate, while the inside is
> > full of what you have obtained by violence and selfishness. Blind Pharisee!
> > Clean what is inside the cup first, and then the outside will be clean
> > too!"(Mt, 23: 25-26)
> > > >
> > > > And also:
> > > >
> > > > "How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees! You
> > hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look fine on the outside
> > but are full of bones and decaying corpses on the inside. In the same
> > > > way, on the outside you appear good to everybody, but inside you are
> > full of hypocrisy and sins."(Mt, 23:
> > > > 27-28)
> > > >
> > > > In that departament, there is no need to quote H. P. Blavatsky, as she
> > most often used a similar language with regard to whitewashed appearances.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Best regards, Carlos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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